• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.

    And Democrats will always take advantage of that. They supported genocide last election. How much further to the right are they going to go? Because they will never move one Planck length to the left.

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      But if they consistently win it still alter the political landscape such that someone else will have a better chance of enacting actual change in the future.

      The two party system is garbage, but if one of the two current parties lost its ability to win entirely then a different second option could appear.

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        Right now is the perfect time for the progressive caucus -led by AOC, and hiring Katie Porter as consultant- to form a third party WHILE THEY ARE SEATED.

        And there are very simpke winning platform planks that can pull EVERYBODY in:

        • lobbyist bribery as an imprisonable offense
        • universal health care
        • cap on tuitions for medical degrees
        • abolition of private prisons and ban on privatization of government responsibilities

        Of course the psychotic Nazi cucks will not accept that last one because they dont understand that profit margins drive costs up and efficiencies down, but still…

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        Agree. Within legal means, this is the only way to shift the Overton Window back left. When Democrats are secured from Republicans, then we should be pushing for more progressive options. Democrats would not be expanding the concentration camps like the Republicans are.

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          You can’t “push for more progressive options” when you’ve already ceded all power.

          Democrats would not be expanding the concentration camps like the Republicans are.

          History suggests otherwise.

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            How far back? I’m pissed Obama and Biden didn’t close Gitmo, but they didn’t expand it either.

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          Fuck legal means, this is yer problem its all pride and democracy this until its dismantled in front of ye. Taking the high road has given ye a petulant retard as a leader. Maybe throw “legal” out the window, they did.

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            I know what I said. A human knows how to interpret it.

            RPing on an open forum will only get you a visit from the FBI.

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              Im not advocating murder, its fascists who will limit protests and strikes. If you adhere to the rule of law you will quickly see protections removed to keep you penned in.

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      Push the party left and then vote for them. I would personally rathwr have useless weasels in power over soulless ghouls intent on stripping the country bare

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        Push the party left and then vote for them.

        That’s what many leftists tried to do: push Democrats at least left enough to stop actively committing genocide before they’d vote for them. The Democrats refused to budge.

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          I know, Bernie should have won, AOC should be a party leader.

          But when the choice came down, fall in line against fascism. Its not hard.

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              Ok so your choices are between notnopposing genocide or notnopposing genocide even more. For instance would the man commiyting the genocide send you a gold plated pager to commemorate their terrorism? Thats a good litmus test. Would your leader post AI gen pics of themselves and the genocide leader on a beach in the ethnically cleanser area?

              Thisnisnt apples to apples to Gaza/Ukraine will rap te benefits of the lazy american voter.

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                Typical blueMAGA: cares more about symbolic bullshit than actual effect on human lives.

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                  You say this like its common, I am dfinitely not maga, you realise younhurt your own points by throwing around bs like this.

                  Things I like and want: Universal Healthcare Universal Education Unions Stronger labour laws Civil rights and equality Make public all infrastructure from telecomms to prisons.

                  Do tell me more about me though

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            Blame everyone but your shitty wing of the party that was so in love with netanyahu that they would rather support genocide and lose.

            I voted for Harris. Now lecture me like I’m a trumpist, since you have no argument for the genocide you’ve always lived for.

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              They’re not my party and I am totally not in support of the genocide or ethnic cleansing. I would sooner see a demilitarised Israel returning to their originally agreed borders.

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        Push the party left and then vote for them.

        Yeah, that was the line about Biden. He supported genocide instead of moving left.

        I would personally rathwr have useless weasels in power over soulless ghouls intent on stripping the country bare

        Or anyone interested in fixing anything.

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            Its just far worse, would I vote for my mother to die? No

            If the alternative was listening to anyone to your left, you’d kill her yourself.

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              What are you on about, I am far left. The analogy was that Ibwould bote for a bad thing, american democrats, against a disgusting cruel thing, the american right.

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        If there are no ramifications for ignoring the vorer, what impetus is there for them to move left?

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          And so whatnif those ramifications are further genocide? At leastnyou got to be right?

          Their stance on Gaza was deplorable but there has been zero benefit from their loss.