Warning: Lemmy doesn't care about your privacy, everything is tracked and stored forever, even if you delete it
raddle.me

Federated services have always had privacy issues but I expected Lemmy would have the fewest, but it’s visibly worse for privacy than even Reddit.

  • Deleted comments remain on the server but hidden to non-admins, the username remains visible
  • Deleted account usernames remain visible too
  • Anything remains visible on federated servers!
  • When you delete your account, media does not get deleted on any server
  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    32·
    2 years ago

    The same is true for raddle. They kid themselves if they think anyone can’t record anything in there forever.

    Anyway it’s also inaccurate. Deleted accounts are purged from the DB, so they’re definitelly not visible anymore

    Likewise you you edit your comment, it’s edited in the DB.

    • sinnerdotbin@lemmy.caEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      This is assuming your local server is still federated. If your local gets defederated you currently have no control over any previously federated copies of your posts / comments / votes.

      • Black616Angel@feddit.deEnglish
        5·
        2 years ago

        And it also assumes, no one made a screenshot or used the web archive, crawled it and stored it in their own DB or any other way of copying stuff. Of course!

        If you post any thing publicly on the internet, there is no way to be 100% sure it can be ever deleted again.

        • sinnerdotbin@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          2 years ago

          That isn’t what I am speaking to, and the fact someone could make a copy or it is archived somewhere doesn’t make the statement that you can always remove your data from the platform true. And there is a difference between a potential copy and an original federated, distributed, and indexed version. There are also reasons someone might want to remove their data other than simply being worried about the actual content of it.

          People need to be aware of the persistence of data, but people also have to understand the technology they are using to make their own informed decisions on how they engage.

          • Black616Angel@feddit.deEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            People need to be aware of the persistence of data, but people also have to understand the technology they are using to make their own informed decisions on how they engage.

            Exactly. Federation as well as the internet has restrictions in whether you can deleted your data. This should be known. Non federated data has the same problem, but the other way around. Someone running the site wants your stuff gone? It is now.

            I know, what you are talking about, but there are things one has to accept, this being one of them.

            the fact someone could make a copy or it is archived somewhere doesn’t make the statement that you can always remove your data from the platform true.

            Why would someone think that?

            And there is a difference between a potential copy and an original federated, distributed, and indexed version.

            What is this difference? What do you think happens more often, screenshotting weird/compromizing stuff someone said or defederation?

            But there can be a way around All that and that is deleting all Content from defederated sources. Maybe someone could make an issue or implemented it themselves…

            • sinnerdotbin@lemmy.caEnglish
              3·
              2 years ago

              Why would someone think that?

              Because the comment I replied to, the actual thing I am addressing, makes an assertion that isn’t entirely true and could lead someone uninformed into believing they can have their information removed platform wide.

              What is the difference?

              Not everyone is concerned with someone digging up dirt or wildly compromising material. Most people aren’t special enough to be worried about that.

              Most archives won’t be globally search indexed. An archive won’t show up on a federated search. There is more legitimacy to a federated version over someone reposting a screenshot (at least in perception, how federated could be altered or forged is another topic).

              I also mention there are other reasons one might want to remove content. Just look at reddit right now, some may simply want to revoke support for a platform sometime in the future.

              Sure, there could be a future where this is addressed. It isn’t right now.

              I don’t disagree with you in the larger discussion on persistence of data. I am adding context to a scoped subtopic of it.

              I’m behind Lemmy, but I’ve made an informed decision on what that means for my data.

              • sinnerdotbin@lemmy.caEnglish
                1·
                2 years ago

                You are also kidding yourself if you think that defederation will not become more common. The community we are commenting on has already defederated 2 very large instances.

    • minkshaman@lemmy.perthchat.orgEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      So what your saying is that it’s just like Reddit in that respect.

      Yeah, I can live with that, as long as everyone knows that if they really want something deleted, edit over it first.

      • flatbield@beehaw.orgEnglish
        6·
        2 years ago

        For a humbling experience just seach for your Reddit and Lenny IDs on a seach engine. You will get a list of everything you have posted. Also some account info. It is all public. What happens when deleted, depends on who has scraped the data and their retension. This is just how public forums are and that goes all the way back to Usenet and listservs.