• saltesc@lemmy.world
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    Violence is a top-tier solution for lower ranked cognition, where the notion of “hit thing” is a quality solution toward the final stages of attempted problem-solving. Fortunately, people in this situation tend to share the side effect of apathy, so managing to pull together enough “hit thing” people into an organised cohort rarely occurs, or fizzles shortly after take off.

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      2 months ago

      Wrong.

      Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.

      When all else fails violence is the final answer.

      What do you do when someone is violently trying to knock down your door?

      You call the police and they come and they ask the person to leave nicely.

      He refuses and gets more aggressive, either they restraint him and drag him away or use some other method that involves violence.

      I challenge you to show a real world example of ending oppression that was achieved by asking nicely when one side refuses to come to the negotiating table.

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        See that last stipulation is problematic. You are saying give an example but you are filtering out every possible example which would be when one side refuses to come to the negotiating table. Now granted im not saying you are wrong but in evaluating and thinking of an answer the problem of the logic with the when statement immediately pops up. Non violent protest leads to negotiation. bzzz. can’t use it. As I said in another post violence will happen. One side can be nonviolent but I can’t think of a case where they were nonviolent and violence was not done to them.

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        What do you do when someone is violently trying to knock down your door?

        Well for starters, why have I put myself.in a situation where.this.is happening?But, secondly, I think this was a bad example you pulled anyway, as it was about defence toward immediate violence, rather than instigating it on social issues. In this case the aggressor in your example is the idiot instigating,.i.e. the very behaviour you’re attempting to excuse. And it that’s your stance, well; case in point.

        I challenge you to show a real world example of ending oppression that was achieved by asking nicely when one side refuses to come to the negotiating table.

        Asking nicely? It happens. But methods without violence? In most cases, the solution to stopping such threats is to cease empowering them, and we have many methods of how this is done in the real.world, daily. Violence creates reactive violence, creates a victim opportunity,.and instills animosity. Its solutions are temporary as nothing resolved the core issue, but it did inteoduce new ones.

        So, what are you doing to cease empowerimg your “oppressors”—apart from buying into their systems, wearing their actions, and remaining seated in a place you think sucks? Mm-mm. There that apathy.

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      2 months ago

      “Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.”

      OTOH, here we are.

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      When “lower ranked cognition” people have established themselves as the rulers, you have to communicate in the only language they understand. They will not give up the power they’re abusing otherwise.