• 2pt_perversion@lemmy.worldEnglish
        927·
        4 months ago

        Probably the sexual harassment one that’s when I left. The billet labs stuff was bad too though.

        • tuxed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          263·
          4 months ago

          Feels like I remember that one getting pretty good proof Linus didn’t do anything, but could be wrong

          • 2pt_perversion@lemmy.worldEnglish
            609·
            4 months ago

            Linus wasn’t accused of sexually harassing anyone. His company was accused of being a hostile work environment with sexual harassment by a former worker, but the accusations weren’t against Linus himself. LTT hired a 3rd party law firm to investigate - LTT said the law firm basically said there wasn’t legal liability based on the documentation they could find and LTT used that to absolve themselves and threaten to sue the accuser if she said anything else.

            But this was an LTT hired lawfirm and LTT themselves reporting on what the report said - and since it’s confidential you kind of just have to take their word that they’re accurately reporting the findings. Further there were initially some corroborators of Madison’s story who retracted and apologized quickly (assumingly after being threatened with legal action - Aprime is the example). Besides that a lot of the accusations were things that happened in person that wouldn’t necessarily leave a digital trail so it’s possible even if the 3rd party investigation was completely unbiased that everything Madison said was still true.

            In the end believe what you want but it seems slimy enough that I stopped watching.

            • anlumo@lemmy.worldEnglish
              252·
              4 months ago

              One of the major accusations was that they asked too much of Madison for a single person to accomplish, and fired her over not meeting their expectations. While this is not great, it’s not legally problematic.

            • tuxed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              82·
              4 months ago

              Yeah you’re correct on the accusations, I should have clarified.

              But with that approach it doesn’t sound like there is anything an organization could do against false accusations that would absolve them of wrongdoing. I’m all for bashing corrupt/horrible companies, but it feels like there should be at least some presumption of innocence unless there is any kind of proof. Painting all accused with the same brush just leads to devaluing the brush IMO. But like you said, people may (and will) believe what they want, and people are under no obligation to watch or support any creator unless they want to. In my case I just haven’t seen any proof of wrongdoing (in this case, gamersnexus controversy was worse IMO).

              What do you think a company should do in that situation, assuming it is being falsely accused? What would a “perfect” response be? I cant think of a much better one than what LTT did, given their circumstances, but would love to hear what a better response would look like.

              • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                1·
                4 months ago

                The only thing they could have done better was have the third party release the report. I don’t think they released it yet, but they had intended to at one point. Maybe the lawyers told them they shouldn’t?

                • tuxed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  1·
                  4 months ago

                  Hm, not sure that would be legal even? Considering it likely contained information on different employees etc. But yeah, if possible it would have been nice to see.

            • mbtrhcs@feddit.orgEnglish
              1·
              4 months ago

              Not to mention the law firm they hired advertises anti-union action, so that should tell you whether they can be trusted to be fair to workers…

          • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.worldEnglish
            86·
            4 months ago

            People can say nothing was done but the only info you’re going to get is going to be from the accusers. The company isn’t going to speak publicly about it and so we won’t ever know what their views are or what proof they have.

            • tuxed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2812·
              4 months ago

              They hired an external firm to investigate themselves and they found nothing, while the accuser had zero proof. There is plenty of things to accuse them for, the gamers nexus thing for one, but I’m a bit annoyed about false accusations sticking so hard when there is little reason to believe it. If anything it makes people less likely to believe actual victims.

              • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.worldEnglish
                149·
                4 months ago

                This was my impression. All of their scandals they’ve taken extremely seriously(it appears), done the work to fix and improve, and a lot of their issues seem to be results of fast scaling and organizational level problems that can be fixed.They haven’t just swept things under the rug where they’re able to be transparent. I just think the problem is what Luke has always said: When you open a company up to transparency, you gain criticism, and then the company has large incentives to shut down that transparency because all you use it for is to cause them problems.

                Aside from that, the LTT community and outsiders seem very toxic toward them.

    • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3817·
      4 months ago

      I’ll be that guy. I don’t understand why LTT gets so much crap from people constantly, they seem to have a very toxic community even without the scandals. But in regards to the more recent scandal, I really think a lot of those things are fixable and I’ll be watching to see if they fix them.

      As far as the sexual harassment stuff goes I can see that as a legitimate reason to stop watching. At the same time though, how should we feel with such limited and one sided information? And especially how should I feel if the problems aren’t inherent to the company and if they don’t reoccur?

      Maybe someone can help clear this up for me because I’m not that informed and I’m still giving them a chance but maybe I shouldn’t be.

      • BluesF@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        4 months ago

        Check the other comment thread from the parent, there’s a discussion which goes into it.

      • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        4 months ago

        I don’t understand why LTT gets so much crap from people

        Because their clowns. Literally. Their content is pure tech entertainment with constant immature humour and little substance. The way they present themselves is like a group of teenagers messing around.

        Then there’s their “expertise”. They don’t know tech beyond a Windows “power user”.

        But in regards to the more recent scandal, I really think a lot of those things are fixable and I’ll be watching to see if they fix them.

        Linus showed his true colours during the Billet Labs incident. He doubled down hard, and I’m convinced that even today Linus feels like he did nothing wrong. They have zero reputation to salvage, IMO.

        • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          4 months ago

          Yeah this is what I mean. I don’t get why people who don’t like their content bother hating them. You don’t like that they mostly exist for entertainment, cool, why bother caring? If you want deep tech dives or something else, there’s plenty of content out there. You’re upset they aren’t more knowledgeable as if everyone making tech content needs to know everything.

          And yeah I did feel like they messed up with the Billet incident and it was one of the more important things they needed to address properly. They made a mistake and I do think that Linus handled it poorly to say the least. They deserved that part of the scandal. All I’ll say is I’m willing to wait and see if they improve or if they make similar mistakes. If that’s a big deal to you, I get that, but that’s not where a majority of the hate is coming from either. It’s coming from what I said before about tech people wanting different content

          • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            4 months ago

            I don’t get why people who don’t like their content bother hating them.

            Because for good or bad, they have a significant influence in the tech world. And since they are more bad, people don’t like them.

            Take the Linux challenge, for example. They massively misrepresented the usability of Linux for the average person and for gamers. They even concluded at the end of their challenge that Linux was unsuitable for most gamers. And the release and success of the Steam Deck shortly afterwards was quite delicious.

            Then there was the bit where Linus didn’t read the warning about the package manager removing the desktop environment and just hit yes, then complained that it wasn’t his fault and that the system was poorly designed.

            The guy literally has an issue with accountability.

            You’re upset they aren’t more knowledgeable as if everyone making tech content needs to know everything.

            A better statement is that I’m upset because they preach their deep and unchallengeable knowledge and act as a be-all end-all authority in tech.

            But really I’m not “upset” by them. I just really dislike them and think they’re insufferable.

            And I don’t watch LTT. And there are plenty of other, and objectively better, channels about tech. And I watch those better channels, including GamersNexus.

            All I’ll say is I’m willing to wait and see if they improve or if they make similar mistakes.

            Their entire channel is a giant mistake. All of their content is garbage by virtue of their proven flawed and subpar provides. A process they admitted was flawed, and from what I’ve seen is still flawed with the garbage corrections in the comments nonsense they promised to fix.

            They’re just going to go about business as usual and just be a little more careful with their public image. They don’t deserve the views they get.

    • Jediwan@lemy.lolEnglish
      4268·
      4 months ago

      Thanks for sharing? Why is every Lemmy single comment section filled with unrelated iamverysmart comments.