• Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    It would be far easier for Israel and the US to frame it as an actual war with the government of gaza. Theres a good chance it would fall just as flat as now, but people I think would be less inclined to ask why Hamas did what they did in that case, or ask what’s going on over there in general.

    You are acting like there was a better option and all its showing is how simple you think this all is, like its some TV show.

    Like I said ive never been in a position where I would consider hurting someone but I’m going to sit here and act like I know better than the actual people involved in the conflict. Its bullshit virtue signaling, and you have no idea what you would do if you were in their shoes.

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      You are acting like there was a better option and all its showing is how simple you think this all is, like its some TV show.

      “You don’t understand, we HAD to target civilians for this to work!”

      Hamas simp, or Zionist simp? The only difference is what flag they wave.

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        2 months ago

        Better than a virtue signaling american that uses the world problems to put themselves on a pedestal.

        “Oh I understand sweet child, I just would never stoop so low.”

        Is that the gist of your position? Still havent explained your novel solution that has yet to be tried numerous times. Why don’t you bring up all the times Palestinians rejected one sided deals from Israel for “peace” while you are at it.

        Victim blaming bullshit.

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          Better than a virtue signaling american that uses the world problems to put themselves on a pedestal.

          lmao

          You said that without the least bit of irony, didn’t you?

          Victim blaming bullshit.

          “Victim blaming bullshit”, says the one advocating for the murder of civilians. If people like you had the power, you’d be rounding up Israelis in concentration camps just like the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians now, under the guise of “It’s the only way!”

          Fascists like you are all the same.

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            2 months ago

            I’m advocating for not putting yourself above a whole group of people for internet points you dumb fuck.

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              A whole group of people like, say, Israeli civilians being intentionally targeted by Hamas?

              For all your moralizing and tut-tutting, you’re awfully keen to justify murdering civilians.

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                2 months ago

                And you seem to like to entirely misconstrue my position. If the only way you can deal with this conversation is to attack a strawman then thats your problem.

                If you think that not choosing violence when someone cuts you off in traffic is exactly the same as not choosing violence when your culture is being invaded by a group of people that steals your land and rapes, imprisons, and kills your family members I don’t know what to tell you.

                My position is that you have no idea what you would do under the same circumstances. Hopefully there would be a nonviolent solution to all problems but sometimes there just isnt one.

                Sort of like how Israel couldn’t find a nonviolent solution to taking over the west bank and gaza and pushing out Palestinians. Why aren’t you critical of all the violence Israel commits on Palestinians?

                A child per week was murdered by the IDF the whole year leading up to October 7th, but you want to say it was Hamas or Palestine that brought the violence to Israel?

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                  If you think that not choosing violence when someone cuts you off in traffic is exactly the same as not choosing violence when your culture is being invaded by a group of people that steals your land and rapes, imprisons, and kills your family members I don’t know what to tell you.

                  If you think that choosing to murder civilians is acceptable because it gets people’s attention, well, I don’t know what to tell you.

                  Sort of like how Israel couldn’t find a nonviolent solution to taking over the west bank and gaza and pushing out Palestinians. Why aren’t you critical of all the violence Israel commits on Palestinians?

                  I’ve been calling the Israeli genocide a genocide since before Lemmy existed, lmao, but sure, anyone who thinks that civilians shouldn’t be murdered is a secret Zionist, you got me.

                  A child per week was murdered by the IDF the whole year leading up to October 7th, but you want to say it was Hamas or Palestine that brought the violence to Israel?

                  Oh, okay, like how you can counter-rape, or rape in self-defense, right? Two wrongs make a right, especially if both of them are utterly worthless acts from a strategic standpoint. They’re just bringing the rape-sorry, violence against civilians, to Israel. Totally fine! If you’re a sociopath or a fucking Nazi piece of shit. :)

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                    2 months ago

                    So you are spectating for internet points, like I said.

                    I literally stated the opposite of what you are accusing me of saying.

                    Is it so hard for you to just admit you aren’t any different than the people in Gaza or in Hamas, that if you lived their lives you might do the exact same thing.

                    Its funny you are virtue signaling compassion for the Palestinians while also treating them like immature children who need to be told not to hit their neighbor.

                    Go ahead and reply again putting words in my mouth and then write a couple paragraphs about how great of a person you are and how you’d never do anything so low.