Black Myth: Wukong has made history as the one of the fastest-selling video games of all time, accumulating 10 million copies sold within 3 days of launch.
I don’t think IGN is inherently racist, they are upset they couldn’t get the developers to play in their artificial drama. IGN lives by creating content and drama, so they need everybody to respond to them and play into their stories.
A game studio only wanting to talk about their game? And a game journalist being upset that’s all they want to do? That seems insane
Racism isn’t exactly the right word, but China and the rest of east asia have thousands of years of historical ethnic prejudices. It’s just not interpreted as “racism” because it’s more complicated than the color of your skin, and that’s typically what westerners can wrap their heads around at any given point.
Xenophobia, all of the response including the early comments of Lemmy were xenophobic leading to racist.
“How many Chinese people are playing the game to get those numbers so high”
“Of course it’s selling this much, Chinese are buying it”
“I wonder if we can trust the numbers coming out of China”
Like Chinese gamers make up huge percentage of sales and player base in general, yet this game in particular people are very concerned about the number of Chinese players.
Who cares if it’s selling well in China first, or China only, fuck off with this shit.
I’m not sure what that has to do with my rebuttal? I was confronting the claim that is now deleted, that China has never had a problem with racism.
I’m not claiming people aren’t being racist or xenophobic about this game. I was just explaining the difference between the western concept of racism and the history of ethnic conflict in east Asia.
No, you have a super secret definition of racism that doesn’t include people of similar ethnic groups not liking eachother because of past circumstances. Right?
Ethnicity is included in racism. A Korean or Chinese person who dislikes a Japanese person partially because of a cultural memory of occupation is still a racist. Even if there’s a historical justification for it, the strawman of a person you created in your head to dislike is nothing like the actual people of that ethnicity. Even if the ethnicity is close to yours. Even if you can point to examples of Chinese people doing things you don’t like currently. If you have a cultural dislike of a neighboring country, or different ethnic group, that’s still racism.
There are many regions that have vast histories of regional conflict in very small areas. It stil gets to be racist. Kurds and Armenians, everyone in Europe, Jews and Palestinians, Hondurans and Nicaraguans, the Tutsi and the Hutu in Africa.
You could point to other forms of hatred in a country, like the caste system in India (which was eventually used by the British as a census tool), as being non racist. But if it’s based in ethnicity, ESPECIALLY ETHNIC CONFLICTS, it’s racist.
Tldr, you don’t want to define yourself as racist so you created a new category that doesn’t include you.
you have a super secret definition of racism that doesn’t include people of similar ethnic groups not liking eachother because of past circumstances. Right?
Nope, just the scientifically correct version. Redefining the colloquial understanding of racism to exclude the history of racial discrimination and it’s foundation in slavery is immoral and incorrect.
It equivocates ethnic conflict such as your example of Japanese and Koreans as the same as the European racial science theory that vindicated chattle slavery based on skin tone.
A Korean or Chinese person who dislikes a Japanese person partially because of a cultural memory of occupation is still a racist.
So any conflict between two ethnic groups is automatically the same as the European slave trade…? That totally makes sense
You are conflating ethnic conflict, which can happen for a multitude of reasons with racism, which is a prejudice specific to race.
you don’t want to define yourself as racist so you created a new category that doesn’t include you.
Lol, or…you are actively preserving racial science and projecting your cultures dark history unto people whom never partook in chattel slavery because not something as idiotic as melanin content.
There are specific terminologies for everything we talked about, you just refuse to part ways with race science because it’s so inherent to your upbringing.
If you have a cultural dislike of a neighboring country, or different ethnic group, that’s still racism.
The word you’re looking for is called prejudice. Prejudice is part of racism, but so is the belief in race itself. Ethnic prejudice can be just as violent, or as damaging to social cohesion, but it’s inherently different than racism.
Do you not think Asians engaged in chattle slavery? Is that the entire crux of you argument? There was chattel slavery in Asia, there was chattel slavery based on inter Asian racism due to ethnic differences.
Prejudice isn’t separate from racism, it fits in like a puzzle piece. You don’t even have a good reason for your argument, you just don’t like the word. Bro I think you might be racist.
Do you not think Asians engaged in chattle slavery?
Well, there’s the whole problem with specifying race again. What do you mean when you say Asian? Are we talking about east Asia, the Indian subcontinent, or even south east Asia?
There was something akin to chattel slavery in India in the 1800s, but nothing as widespread or cruel as chattel slavery in the Americas. As far as east Asia, no there’s not a documented history of chattel slavery.
Chattel slavery is a very specific type of slavery that wasn’t prevalent until the 18th century.
Prejudice isn’t separate from racism, it fits in like a puzzle piece
Lol, I didn’t say it was separate. All racist are prejudice, but not all prejudice is based on racism.
you just don’t like the word.
The word is fine, it’s your understanding of the word that is flawed.
Bro I think you might be racist.
Lol, against whom?
I think you might be trying to enact a revisionist view of history that lessens the actual meaning of racism. I think you are trying to equate all ethnic conflict to the systemic chattel slavery that race science enabled in the first place, making it seem less harmful than what it was.
Do people ever listen to their own nonsense. Say this out loud for me. You really believe “ethnic prejudices =/= racism.” How would your brilliant mind classify racism? I just didn’t sell a house to those people because ethnic prejudice, I swear it wasn’t racism. Enjoy your champagne racism.
There’s a pretty clear delineation from racism and ethnic prejudice. One is a classification system used to loosely categorize people by general region and skin tone. The other is actually based on ethnic groups, and tends to actually be based on historical context.
Defined under the social construct of racism, a Han Chinese person and a Manchurian are the same “race”, they’re just Asian or “yellow”.
Ethnic prejudice is often just as bad as racism, but is generally based on actual historical context instead of a defunct “science”, that was only created to justify slavery.
Enjoy your champagne racism.
Lol, you do realize that you are the one demanding the globe to view ethnic conflict through the lens of race "science "?
There’s a pretty clear delineation from racism and ethnic prejudice. One is a classification system used to loosely categorize people by general region and skin tone. The other is actually based on ethnic groups, and tends to actually be based on historical context.
Ok but seems like a distinction without a difference. Neither racism, nor ethnic racism, have anything to do with video games.
Is it so hard for you to understand that racial science was never established as an inherent truth in most of the world? That it’s only the west who utilize the word Asian to describe the majority of the world’s population.
Ethnic and religious conflict, and nationalism lead different groups into the same type of ethnic prejudices, but that is inherently different from racism within the study of social sciences.
Ok but seems like a distinction without a difference.
I mean the distinction is fairly self evident. I as an Asian person cannot hold racial prejudices against other Asians, but can have ethnic prejudices.
Neither racism, nor ethnic racism,
Man, you guys just don’t understand that race is not an actual idea people outside the west utilize. Race is exclusively a western concept used to generalize people outside of Europe.
have anything to do with video games
I didn’t say they were? I was responding to a claim that someone else made and then deleted.
Man, you guys just don’t understand that race is not an actual idea
“you guys” i’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that racists don’t actually exist on lemmy. Leftist understand that “race” was a construct used to divide people based on criteria that aren’t threatening to the status quo. In the US, race exist to make sure that people don’t question the capitalists. In China is exist to make sure people don’t question whatever the inherent power structure that existed at the time “ethnic racism” was defined.
The point is it doesn’t matter. The purpose of the division was the same and the practical division was equally spurious.
I don’t think IGN is inherently racist, they are upset they couldn’t get the developers to play in their artificial drama. IGN lives by creating content and drama, so they need everybody to respond to them and play into their stories.
A game studio only wanting to talk about their game? And a game journalist being upset that’s all they want to do? That seems insane
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Racism isn’t exactly the right word, but China and the rest of east asia have thousands of years of historical ethnic prejudices. It’s just not interpreted as “racism” because it’s more complicated than the color of your skin, and that’s typically what westerners can wrap their heads around at any given point.
Xenophobia, all of the response including the early comments of Lemmy were xenophobic leading to racist.
“How many Chinese people are playing the game to get those numbers so high”
“Of course it’s selling this much, Chinese are buying it”
“I wonder if we can trust the numbers coming out of China”
Like Chinese gamers make up huge percentage of sales and player base in general, yet this game in particular people are very concerned about the number of Chinese players.
Who cares if it’s selling well in China first, or China only, fuck off with this shit.
Please report those comments also, so we can remove them.
I’m not sure what that has to do with my rebuttal? I was confronting the claim that is now deleted, that China has never had a problem with racism.
I’m not claiming people aren’t being racist or xenophobic about this game. I was just explaining the difference between the western concept of racism and the history of ethnic conflict in east Asia.
No, you have a super secret definition of racism that doesn’t include people of similar ethnic groups not liking eachother because of past circumstances. Right?
Ethnicity is included in racism. A Korean or Chinese person who dislikes a Japanese person partially because of a cultural memory of occupation is still a racist. Even if there’s a historical justification for it, the strawman of a person you created in your head to dislike is nothing like the actual people of that ethnicity. Even if the ethnicity is close to yours. Even if you can point to examples of Chinese people doing things you don’t like currently. If you have a cultural dislike of a neighboring country, or different ethnic group, that’s still racism.
There are many regions that have vast histories of regional conflict in very small areas. It stil gets to be racist. Kurds and Armenians, everyone in Europe, Jews and Palestinians, Hondurans and Nicaraguans, the Tutsi and the Hutu in Africa.
You could point to other forms of hatred in a country, like the caste system in India (which was eventually used by the British as a census tool), as being non racist. But if it’s based in ethnicity, ESPECIALLY ETHNIC CONFLICTS, it’s racist.
Tldr, you don’t want to define yourself as racist so you created a new category that doesn’t include you.
Nope, just the scientifically correct version. Redefining the colloquial understanding of racism to exclude the history of racial discrimination and it’s foundation in slavery is immoral and incorrect.
It equivocates ethnic conflict such as your example of Japanese and Koreans as the same as the European racial science theory that vindicated chattle slavery based on skin tone.
So any conflict between two ethnic groups is automatically the same as the European slave trade…? That totally makes sense
You are conflating ethnic conflict, which can happen for a multitude of reasons with racism, which is a prejudice specific to race.
Lol, or…you are actively preserving racial science and projecting your cultures dark history unto people whom never partook in chattel slavery because not something as idiotic as melanin content.
There are specific terminologies for everything we talked about, you just refuse to part ways with race science because it’s so inherent to your upbringing.
The word you’re looking for is called prejudice. Prejudice is part of racism, but so is the belief in race itself. Ethnic prejudice can be just as violent, or as damaging to social cohesion, but it’s inherently different than racism.
Do you not think Asians engaged in chattle slavery? Is that the entire crux of you argument? There was chattel slavery in Asia, there was chattel slavery based on inter Asian racism due to ethnic differences.
Prejudice isn’t separate from racism, it fits in like a puzzle piece. You don’t even have a good reason for your argument, you just don’t like the word. Bro I think you might be racist.
Well, there’s the whole problem with specifying race again. What do you mean when you say Asian? Are we talking about east Asia, the Indian subcontinent, or even south east Asia?
There was something akin to chattel slavery in India in the 1800s, but nothing as widespread or cruel as chattel slavery in the Americas. As far as east Asia, no there’s not a documented history of chattel slavery.
Chattel slavery is a very specific type of slavery that wasn’t prevalent until the 18th century.
Lol, I didn’t say it was separate. All racist are prejudice, but not all prejudice is based on racism.
The word is fine, it’s your understanding of the word that is flawed.
Lol, against whom?
I think you might be trying to enact a revisionist view of history that lessens the actual meaning of racism. I think you are trying to equate all ethnic conflict to the systemic chattel slavery that race science enabled in the first place, making it seem less harmful than what it was.
Do people ever listen to their own nonsense. Say this out loud for me. You really believe “ethnic prejudices =/= racism.” How would your brilliant mind classify racism? I just didn’t sell a house to those people because ethnic prejudice, I swear it wasn’t racism. Enjoy your champagne racism.
It doesn’t matter what you call it. What matters is that some losers got offeded that a game from a non-Western studio became successful.
Whether you call this racism or something else does not matter.
This right here, - I wonder why they removed my original comment. Lol
There’s a pretty clear delineation from racism and ethnic prejudice. One is a classification system used to loosely categorize people by general region and skin tone. The other is actually based on ethnic groups, and tends to actually be based on historical context.
Defined under the social construct of racism, a Han Chinese person and a Manchurian are the same “race”, they’re just Asian or “yellow”.
Ethnic prejudice is often just as bad as racism, but is generally based on actual historical context instead of a defunct “science”, that was only created to justify slavery.
Lol, you do realize that you are the one demanding the globe to view ethnic conflict through the lens of race "science "?
Ok but seems like a distinction without a difference. Neither racism, nor ethnic racism, have anything to do with video games.
You heard him as an Asian he can’t be racist to other Asians… It’s hard for our western minds to comprehend. 😆 This fucking guy.
Is it so hard for you to understand that racial science was never established as an inherent truth in most of the world? That it’s only the west who utilize the word Asian to describe the majority of the world’s population.
Ethnic and religious conflict, and nationalism lead different groups into the same type of ethnic prejudices, but that is inherently different from racism within the study of social sciences.
I mean the distinction is fairly self evident. I as an Asian person cannot hold racial prejudices against other Asians, but can have ethnic prejudices.
Man, you guys just don’t understand that race is not an actual idea people outside the west utilize. Race is exclusively a western concept used to generalize people outside of Europe.
I didn’t say they were? I was responding to a claim that someone else made and then deleted.
“you guys” i’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that racists don’t actually exist on lemmy. Leftist understand that “race” was a construct used to divide people based on criteria that aren’t threatening to the status quo. In the US, race exist to make sure that people don’t question the capitalists. In China is exist to make sure people don’t question whatever the inherent power structure that existed at the time “ethnic racism” was defined.
The point is it doesn’t matter. The purpose of the division was the same and the practical division was equally spurious.
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