• Zloubida@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    And the tryzub didn’t mean fascism when it was firstly adopted by the (menchevik communist) Ukrainian People’s Republic in 1917…

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      4 months ago

      Okay but it did mean fascism after ww2. You know, after nazi collaborators participated in the holocaust in Ukraine, killing Ukrainian Jewish folks and others.

      I dont think the original Ukrainian republic in 1917 was fascist though, we agree there.

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        4 months ago

        Vichy France of Pétain participated in the Holocaust too. France still use the fasces, the same anthem and the same flag.

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            4 months ago

            That’s not the point. The point is: Ukraine is a normal country, nor a fascist hellhole nor a perfect Paradise. Their national symbol is also used by its far right, today and during the WWII; just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe. And just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe, they continued to use their national symbols after the WWII.

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                  4 months ago

                  I have literally dedicated years of my life to a thorough understanding of German fascism, I know what fascism is. France is ideologically fascist and transitioning to it economically.

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                    4 months ago

                    You follow the tankie definition of fascism? “Everything at the right of the bolshevism is fascism”?

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                    4 months ago

                    Well USA do gas people all the time on protests and cop raids. They even used real deal Zyklon B to fumigate immigrants at border prior to WW2 (both theoretically non lethal doses though afaik some people did died or had other health problems) there was also over 600 executions in gas chamber.