“WASHINGTON (AP) — A judge on Monday ruled that Google’s ubiquitous search engine has been illegally exploiting its dominance to squash competition and stifle innovation in a seismic decision that could shake up the internet and hobble one of the world’s best-known companies…”

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    Bit confused, Google has its own browser, its own search engine, and provides a somewhat easy method to access the majority of the Internet and does it well but some people are upset because they cannot compete? What is the point in doing something so good that you become the best in the business? Everyone comes to you for your service, but you get punished because you’re a monopoly? I’m thinking about Valve here as well. It’s a major retail platform for PC games because nobody does it better. Publishers get upset its top dog, and their shity half arsed clients get no light.

    Is it not the point of a business to make money and be good at their service that they increase revenue yearly and drive innovation?

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      Google has its own browser, its own search engine, and provides a somewhat easy method to access the majority of the Internet and does it well.

      The problem isn’t that it does it well, it’s that it did it well and it doesn’t anymore.

      They dominate the market and can afford to make the search AI-inflated bullshit without any revenue losses.

      Another part of the problem is the integration. Some google websites are rendered inoperable on Firefox, while others are made to have a worse experience.

      A third part is giving its services preferential treatment onstead of having thekr algorithm be unbiased towards in-house services.

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      Once upon a time the best browser game in town was Internet explorer. Similar stuff happened (actually even less blatant then Google). Microsoft basically controlled Web standards. The biggest sin they did was bundle IE with Windows, at least according to the US suit.

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      The problem is not having the monopoly, it’s exploiting it’s qualities. Google for example exploits the fact that they know how much ad revenue each site makes them and thus can rank them higher. They also can rank their own products such as YouTube or Chrome. Another exploitation of their monopoly is that Google is the default search engine of Chrome instead of giving the user choices

      There is no issue with YouTube, another monopoly, since it’s business model is driving engagement and making money from ads but not exploiting its position.

      Valve is another monopoly but it doesn’t block people from putting their own launchers onto their platform. It doesn’t block you from installing another store like Apple does and in general is nowhere near as all-encompassing as Google.

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        The problem is, if one company dominates search, you have no way to evaluate whether they are doing it well.

        You could just go to other search engines and run the same queries and compare results.

        For example, I did a search on 6 different search engines earlier today looking for a specific Reddit thread related to an update to a certain Skyrim mod without quite naming the mod (because I couldn’t remember the exact name of the mod, and was hoping to find the Reddit thread to get the mod name or Nexus link). All 6 had the Nexus page for the mod itself within the top 3 results, and all of them but Google and Yandex had the Reddit thread in question on the first page.

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          If one company is stifling competition, then competitors don’t have the resources required to innovate.

          When you look at competitors offerings, you’re seeing the best they can do in a google-dominated market.

          Real competition benefits users.

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          Google forces exclusive deals and its popularity means people optimize for it. Other search engines don’t have a chance when people expect Google.

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            Who do they have an exclusive deal with? Are there sites you can currently only search on Google? Or browsers or similar that require you to use Google?

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                Search engines other than Google seem to be able to index reddit just fine though. I thought the Reddit deal was about API access to make for easier AI training data, also I hadn’t seen anything saying that such a deal would be exclusive to Google.

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      For the record Valve is very much not a monopoly. They have very big competitors including Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo and more recently GOG.

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      I’m with you on this.

      In this thread are people who screams monopoly, thinking they know what it means. One comment said Google is a monopoly, followed by “along with <other giant companies>”

      They’re giants because they’re successful and good at what they do. They’re successful because people are benefiting and find values from the products they use. The moment these giants stops “exploiting” people will be when they stop bringing values to society.

      They’ve confused economic reality with their own ideal reality.

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        There’s much more to company’s popularity than just the product quality.

        Google, along with some others, pays money for browser developers to be the default engine - so that people never bother to try something else and actually see how good or bad Google is compared to everything else.

        Facebook (Meta) is known for predatory business practices like forcing startups to sell out or have their concept forcefully stolen and them destroyed.

        Amazon dominates by plunging the prices of their in-house products below payback to drive the competition into bankruptcy, then acts as a monopoly, driving prices up.

        There’s plenty more such examples, but let me stop here for now. Giant corporations have powerful levers that are only available to them as they approach market dominance. And when they get 'em, fair play is over.

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        They’ve confused economic reality with their own ideal reality.

        … and the irony in this statement is overwhelming, after the fairy tale you’ve just outlined about those providing the most value to society gathering the most power & influence.

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          Ideal reality: Google doesn’t buy advantage from browsers to make their search engine the default. This way, other search engines can compete at the same level, right?

          Reality: browser developers will have their income cut down because now their main source of income is dead (see recent news on Mozilla).

          Usually these kinds of policies that may or may not come up out of goodwill results in unintended consequences that negatively affect others.

          The winner here are the politicians.