The Anti-Corruption Foundation, which criticizes Putin and is reputed to be the best independent pollster in Russia, just did a poll in Germany & France. It asked: who’s responsible for starting the Ukraine war?

Here’s Germany’s result:

Here are the polling numbers from France:

It appears that both in Germany and France, more people believe that the US is responsible for starting the war in Ukraine than believe that Putin is responsible.

Leonid Volkov of the Anti-Corruption Foundation claims that these numbers show how effective Putin’s propaganda is in Germany & France.

This is a laughable explanation of the numbers given that populations of Germany and France are exposed to US propaganda to a far greater degree than they are exposed to Russian propaganda. In fact, much of Russian media is even banned in EU at this point.

One can only imagine what these numbers would look like if the populations of Germany and France were not being bombarded with US government propaganda about the origins of the Ukraine war.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
      371·
      1 year ago

      That’s basically the process that US was aiming to prevent from developing with the war. If Europe continued economic integration with Russia and China then US would necessarily start losing political influence over it. Now, Europe is stuck with US unless there’s a massive political upheaval, which may yet happen.

      • Trudge [Comrade]@lemmygrad.ml
        26·
        1 year ago

        I wonder how many demands the US can make to Europe before the camel’s back breaks. No gas, no chips, no huawei, no 5G… they’re not seriously going to let themselves get strangled to death slowly right?

        • Saint_Seiya91@lemmygrad.ml
          22·
          1 year ago

          As long as European capitalists keep making money with the US, they’ll keep going as long as they like and they keep the people under control with western media. It will take a significant downturn even greater than this one for the people to unite and either overthrow their government or force it to break away from the US sphere of influence.

        • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
          20·
          1 year ago

          Slow strangling is exactly what is happening though. Problem of Europe is not even that they have compradors in power, problem is that basically every forseeable alternative are also compradors, or open fascist (who are also usually compradors).