Yeah, it’s totally our fault the Dems have to see how far right they can possibly get away with. And they just “aren’t for us” completely diminishes our issues. This is a problem created by the DNC, it is not created by the voters.
Donald Trump was the DNCs fault for running a centrist, dirty candidate. Not ours for not falling in love with her. Your fucking guilting us into voting for a turd sandwitch is bullshit. Stop sucking.
I have and will vote against Donald Trump, but I am not donating and making calls like I did for Bernie. Biden is a big pile of literally not Donald Trump, that’s all he is.
The fact that you need grassroots help to win an election when you can easily represent a large majority of the voters by just representing the voters is your fault.
I preferred Bernie and was excited for that. But Hillary was winning primaries in swing states that actually matter, like AZ, NV, FL, OH. Are you certain blaming the DNC on that one isn’t to some extent right-wing propaganda? Repubs know how to drive a wedge if they see a popular runner-up.
You may have been taught in school that democracy is an ideal system. But when you become an adult you learn the truth about it. It’s not actually about getting the perfect person that everyone agrees with in power. Because that’s impossible, people don’t agree on anything.
Democracy is really about preventing the worst people from having power. You will never be voting for someone that you 100% agree with because that’s impossible, no one agrees on everything. But it’s your duty as a citizen to determine who is are the worst people on the ballot and determine which way to vote to either remove those people from power or prevent them from getting it. That’s what democracy really is. Welcome to adulthood.
This is the smugness I expect from Lemmy when politics are discussed. You know absolutely fuck all about the person you’ve replied too so who the fuck are you to insinuate that they’re a child??
Nothing wrong with sounding like a teenager, most teenagers these days are passionate and aware of the stark realities they are entering into adulthood under.
Sounding like an entitled boomer who blames young people for demanding a future for themselves that isnt a fatal compromise with far right nutjobs driven down their throats by ideologivally bankrupt centrists?
That unfortunately for you, is the actual cringey behavior.
My conversations with young people have been trending towards going the exact same way as my conversations with MAGA boomers who are also very passionate about the disinformation they’ve found on the internet by “doing their own research.” Being upset on the internet isn’t something to be proud of.
Critical thinking is more important than emotion in the age of disinformation. Try harder to think more critically and less emotionally.
Critical thinking is not more important than emotion, you are a fool if you think it is.
Critical thinking relies on your head not being up your own ass to work, emotion on the other hand taps into a human learned intuition that has successfully gotten humans through innumerable challenges over our long evolutionary history. If it isn’t your emotions that have guided you back to reason and kindness over and over again in your life, your relationship with your emotions is to be frank quite immature and stunted.
I would go a step further and say what makes the kind of centrism you are defending and leftists like me attack, so dangerous and insidious is it conflates adulthood with lobotomizing the relationship between your emotions and your politics in the pursuit of some logical construction of ideology that becomes more and more empty as it departs from the human condition and is lost in pedantic defenses of the status quo that aren’t salient to people who are suffering and need actual change, not management of the status quo.
It is my emotions integrated with my politics in constant conversation that makes me able to actually evolve my views to new realities and new information, that is precisely what differentiates someone like me from a stereotypical toxic stereotype of a boomer. My emotions are what nag at my outmoded views, that keep reminding me of inconsistencies in my actions, my emotions are what keep my morale compass oriented and stop me from handwaving away the genocide of Palestinians because the tv news I watch tells me it is ok, they probably deserve to die…
I am very likely older than you. And I don’t “not 100%” agree with, It’s more like Trump I agree with 0%, and Biden is like 0.2%. I refuse to believe that the founding fathers wanted two senile men that can’t hold their shit babbling aimlessly on TV with an army of think tanks and billionaires behind them telling them what to say to manipulate the masses with the two party system. “Preventing the worst people”… they are both some of the worst people in American politics right now. One is actively a shitbag and the other is propped up by shitbags.
Maybe I should just accept the shitbags and be thankful I guess. Fall in line. I will fight the bullshit until someone does better or I die, whichevercomes first. I’m sure it will be the latter.
Most of the founding fathers you’ve idealized were slave owners. Many of the compromises they made with slave owners required a brutal civil war to correct. Some of those compromises (like the electoral college) still exist today and have already resulted in Trump having one term in office and could result in another. The intentions of the electoral college that the founding fathers created was to give more power to slave owners. Today it gives slightly more (but enough that it can change the result) voting power to racists. Trump winning the election in 2016 came about because of the system the founding fathers created, and it was a system created by white supremacists for white supremacists. Donald Trump is exactly the kind of person the founding fathers made the system to elect.
I’m fairly certain Joe Biden is against slavery, while these founding fathers you worship were for it. Unless you think slavery is a good thing, then you agree with Joe Biden far more than you agree with the founding fathers you idolize.
Political leaders have always been terrible. Sorry to be the one to have to break it to you.
Yeah, it’s totally our fault the Dems have to see how far right they can possibly get away with. And they just “aren’t for us” completely diminishes our issues. This is a problem created by the DNC, it is not created by the voters.
Donald Trump was the DNCs fault for running a centrist, dirty candidate. Not ours for not falling in love with her. Your fucking guilting us into voting for a turd sandwitch is bullshit. Stop sucking.
I have and will vote against Donald Trump, but I am not donating and making calls like I did for Bernie. Biden is a big pile of literally not Donald Trump, that’s all he is.
The fact that you need grassroots help to win an election when you can easily represent a large majority of the voters by just representing the voters is your fault.
I preferred Bernie and was excited for that. But Hillary was winning primaries in swing states that actually matter, like AZ, NV, FL, OH. Are you certain blaming the DNC on that one isn’t to some extent right-wing propaganda? Repubs know how to drive a wedge if they see a popular runner-up.
You may have been taught in school that democracy is an ideal system. But when you become an adult you learn the truth about it. It’s not actually about getting the perfect person that everyone agrees with in power. Because that’s impossible, people don’t agree on anything.
Democracy is really about preventing the worst people from having power. You will never be voting for someone that you 100% agree with because that’s impossible, no one agrees on everything. But it’s your duty as a citizen to determine who is are the worst people on the ballot and determine which way to vote to either remove those people from power or prevent them from getting it. That’s what democracy really is. Welcome to adulthood.
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This is the smugness I expect from Lemmy when politics are discussed. You know absolutely fuck all about the person you’ve replied too so who the fuck are you to insinuate that they’re a child??
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Nothing wrong with sounding like a teenager, most teenagers these days are passionate and aware of the stark realities they are entering into adulthood under.
Sounding like an entitled boomer who blames young people for demanding a future for themselves that isnt a fatal compromise with far right nutjobs driven down their throats by ideologivally bankrupt centrists?
That unfortunately for you, is the actual cringey behavior.
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Critical thinking is not more important than emotion, you are a fool if you think it is.
Critical thinking relies on your head not being up your own ass to work, emotion on the other hand taps into a human learned intuition that has successfully gotten humans through innumerable challenges over our long evolutionary history. If it isn’t your emotions that have guided you back to reason and kindness over and over again in your life, your relationship with your emotions is to be frank quite immature and stunted.
I would go a step further and say what makes the kind of centrism you are defending and leftists like me attack, so dangerous and insidious is it conflates adulthood with lobotomizing the relationship between your emotions and your politics in the pursuit of some logical construction of ideology that becomes more and more empty as it departs from the human condition and is lost in pedantic defenses of the status quo that aren’t salient to people who are suffering and need actual change, not management of the status quo.
It is my emotions integrated with my politics in constant conversation that makes me able to actually evolve my views to new realities and new information, that is precisely what differentiates someone like me from a stereotypical toxic stereotype of a boomer. My emotions are what nag at my outmoded views, that keep reminding me of inconsistencies in my actions, my emotions are what keep my morale compass oriented and stop me from handwaving away the genocide of Palestinians because the tv news I watch tells me it is ok, they probably deserve to die…
I am very likely older than you. And I don’t “not 100%” agree with, It’s more like Trump I agree with 0%, and Biden is like 0.2%. I refuse to believe that the founding fathers wanted two senile men that can’t hold their shit babbling aimlessly on TV with an army of think tanks and billionaires behind them telling them what to say to manipulate the masses with the two party system. “Preventing the worst people”… they are both some of the worst people in American politics right now. One is actively a shitbag and the other is propped up by shitbags.
Maybe I should just accept the shitbags and be thankful I guess. Fall in line. I will fight the bullshit until someone does better or I die, whichevercomes first. I’m sure it will be the latter.
If it’s just 0.2% you’re not factoring in judicial appointments with the gravity they deserve.
Most of the founding fathers you’ve idealized were slave owners. Many of the compromises they made with slave owners required a brutal civil war to correct. Some of those compromises (like the electoral college) still exist today and have already resulted in Trump having one term in office and could result in another. The intentions of the electoral college that the founding fathers created was to give more power to slave owners. Today it gives slightly more (but enough that it can change the result) voting power to racists. Trump winning the election in 2016 came about because of the system the founding fathers created, and it was a system created by white supremacists for white supremacists. Donald Trump is exactly the kind of person the founding fathers made the system to elect.
I’m fairly certain Joe Biden is against slavery, while these founding fathers you worship were for it. Unless you think slavery is a good thing, then you agree with Joe Biden far more than you agree with the founding fathers you idolize.
Political leaders have always been terrible. Sorry to be the one to have to break it to you.
The amount of straw manning in this comment is absurd. “Unless you like slavery.” Lol.
Democracy isn’t about filtering candidates through one of only two viable parties that are both completely controlled by rich donors.