people have been demonizing it for most of the AD years i think but it’s quite pleasant really. are there any proven negative effects?
people have been demonizing it for most of the AD years i think but it’s quite pleasant really. are there any proven negative effects?
Feminism demonizes male sexuality.
See, that’s really interesting to me! The mainstream feminist spaces I’ve interacted with have been very sex-positive, so I’m curious how you’ve experienced this demonization.
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Okay provide some links to these mainstream feminist circles that celebrate male sexuality and or are sex positive about men having sex. I’m genuinely interested.
Here’s exactly what you want: a feminist forum that’s specifically for discussing men’s issues (including sexuality) in a constructive and healthy manner.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/
For anyone on Lemmy interested in these issues there’s also a !mensliberation@lemmy.ca.
Lol, they do not celebrate or encourage expressions of make sexuality instead they cite is all as objectifying just like garden variety feminists.
Do you think objectification is good and healthy?
Sex positive for women collectively, not for men as a whole.
That’s not an explanation you just restated the claim they asked you to elaborate on. What have you encountered that led you to this conclusion?
Yes it is, masturbation is a part of male sexuality. If you demonize male sexuality any endorsement of male sexual expression is an explicit endorsement of the harmful male sexuality.
You’ve been clear about what you think dude, we want to know why you think it.
Feminists posit that men are inherently predatory. See “toxic masculinity” debates. Influential feminists like Dworkin have even stated that any sexual intercourse with men is sexual assault.
Mainstream media, which is deeply influenced by feminism, depicts male sexuality as dangerous “any man can be a rapist” while lying by omission about female predators.
Being male is an inalienable trait and “toxic masculinity” inherently is borne from males. Things like sexual assault are “women’s issues” even though studies show men are assault at near parity to women.
The list goes on, really shouldn’t have spent so much time answering because it’s so glaringly obvious so you’re arguing in bad faith.
You’re making a lot of claims about things I don’t think you really have a grasp on. “Toxic masculinity” is not an implication that all men are inherently toxic. It’s a criticism of societal expectations for men that harm them and their relationships.
You’re saying that feminism has seriously hindered acceptance of male masturbation but all you’ve provided here is vague unsubstantiated implications of media bias and a single author’s name. I’m not going to read the entire collected works of whoever Dworkin is to figure out why you think they’re both representative of the entire feminist movement and also hate men wanking it. Give me something tangible here. A quote, a law they supported, a speech, a video, literally anything at all that isn’t just some insinuation that’s only attributable to yourself
I would consider myself a male feminist and I masturbate daily so if the movement thinks that’s wrong I’d like to know so I can stop describing myself as feminist.
I already cited several scenes from the Barbie movie in this thread which was celebrated as a feminist watershed.
The Duluth Model of determining domestic violence another example. Child support is another. The banning of paternity testing is yet another. You’re just being obtuse. I won’t engage with you anymore.
My dude, scenes from a Barbie movie are not representative of an entire political movement and I really don’t think your interpretation of those scenes makes for any kind of proof of your claims.
Do you have anything demonstrating the feminist movement supports this shit:
Or are you just labeling these things as feminist because you do that with everything you perceive as misandrist?
I do understand “Toxic Masculinity”. It’s right in the word and is much like how conservatives would blame " black culture" for the societal ills of African Americans.
You simply denying that that’s not what it is doesn’t debunk anything.
And we have a term for societal expectations already and it’s called gender roles. Which isn’t a loaded admonishment like toxic masculinity.
All of feminism revolves around the critique of men which is an inalienable trait.
Specific aspects of gender roles are what toxic masculinity criticizes, you’re trying to substitute a general term for a more specific one. Toxic masculinity specifically refers to the ones that are toxic, not the fact that men have gender roles at all. It’s, like you said, right there in the name.
Someone needs to go outside and interact with actual feminists.
Not really.
Feminism embraces openness in society, including walking your own path.
If that includes deviating from cis male sexuality, then yes, feminism does indeed allow that to happen, if it happens naturally. In other words: feminism does not force you to take part in the toxic masculinity circlejerk.
In that way, yes, feminism probably reduces the amount of “male sexuality” which is basically toxic masculinity in the world. But it does not force that change, instead, it lets it happen.
My ass. Yes, maybe some inviduals do, but feminism itself does not. Feminists only ‘demonize’ male sexuality when it starts turning into treating us as walking fleshlights.