Now that I (I think) understand federation I was going to unblock the beehaw communities since I should still be able to vote and comment on them but I can’t find them now.
If you mean the list of communities blocked by a server, go to the home page of that server (for example https://lemmy.world/), scroll down all the way to the bottom and find the “Instances” link on the bottom-right of the page.
If you mean those you blocked, go into your user settings, next to the “Settings” tab there’s a “Blocks” tab, click it to see what you blocked.
Thank you!!
fwiw, you can’t actually vote and comment on them, when federation is removed that means every communication from here to there is ignored - posts, comments, votes, user DMs, all of it. We can still see their posts, but what’s happening is we’re federally pulling their posts over to our side, you’re voting and commenting on them, this instance is recording those votes and comments, and when it tries to send them over for federation purposes beehaw rejects them.
Yeah but I’m pretty sure we’re the bigger community so it’s now really beehaw that isn’t seeing most posts and comments.
That’s true, but if you’re voting and commenting on those posts, your discussion is all isolated from the OP and the admins and mods who control the post. You’re better off grabbing the link/image and posting it outside of a splinter community (Beehaw).
But don’t our comments stay in our copy of the thread, so in my case (as a .world user), other users from my instance would see my comments? No one else would, right?
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/502284
To add to this, yes, other lemmy.world users will see it, but if the post gets deleted over there for beehaw reasons, we wouldn’t know or have any say, it’d be gone if beehaw ever went down, OP will never be able to participate in discussions, posts made on beehaw that violate our rules will still make their way over here, and more. It’s just not a good fix. Let them be a splinter community and repost the links and images to your home instance or a relevant instance.
Anyone has a link on what happened with beehaw?
In short, the majority of the fediverse was (and probably still is, despite the large influx of redditors?) highly communist in nature, but Beehaw, being predominantly moderated by liberals, were getting so dogpiled for their aggressive anticommunism that they just threw up their hands and started defeferating with any instance that disagreed with them from the left at the drop of a hat. At this point they’re probably cut off from 75% or more of the fediverse and I’m sure blissfully ignorant in their little liberal bubble. We’re probably not getting them back and to be honest I’m not sure it’d be rewarding to have them back, if their users want proper discourse they can just make an account over here.
I don’t think their issue was with them being communists. Most of what I see getting mentioned there is reaction towards anti-LGBT discourse and usernames and the like.
I don’t disagree though that they’ll probably not end up re-federating. More likely it just ends up reverting back to a fairly small instance as other spaces fill out. I don’t think their community policies or goals are scalable or even long-term sustainable. It requires too much moderator intervention and the protocol is just a firehose of information that can’t be easily controlled other than just turning it off.
It’s gonna see some Galapagos Syndrome as its users become more and more self-contained.
When some liberals find themselves on the right wing of an argument, a really common rhetorical strategy they use is to pivot to accuse their opponents of being socially backwards. Most of the anti-LGBT critiques coming from the Beehaw camp are just materially uninformed attempts to claim moral high ground and deflect away from an actual heavy hitting discussion
Possible, but if that were the case, I think they would have defeded a long time ago. The fact that they didn’t hit the button until the Reddit crisis makes me suspect that they’re probably be honest about it.
If they were really that concerned about anti-communist ideological purity, why would they have allowed federation when, as a raw percentage, even more of the community was hardcore communist prior to the flood of new users?
They did defederate with us (lemmygrad) long before the reddit drama actually, and definitely for political reasons, but as of lately their reasons for their recent defederation from the other, less-political instances seem much more pragmatic. There was talk of defederating with lemmy.ml too for similar reasons to why they defederated from lemmygrad, but I’m wrong about the recent reasons, the newer defederation surge seems to be for a multitude of reasons.
Ah, I missed that. I thought you guys got defeded at the same time as here.
I don’t think this is an accurate characterization of the situation. Here’s their post about the decision. And here’s a more recent post from them about shit just works saying they have a path to re-federation. So I don’t think it has anything to do with communism.
You can view federated and blocked instances in /instances like this
You can see that beehaw has a lot of blocked instances, while lemmy.world has only 1.
Oh, thanks, this is really useful! I didn’t realize Beehaw blocked so many. Any clue what the reason is for the one blocked instance from .world?
AFAIK there were trolls commenting and harassing beehaw communities from .world and lemmy (I believe also Kbin) lack proper moderation tools to counter that. Supposedly it’s only temporarily blocked until those required tools are implemented.
Right, exactly
Ah sorry I looked at your question again and noticed I misread your question. No idea why that one instance was blocked.
If you know the exact link, you can just append the name like so:
https://lemmy.world/c/nameofcommunity@instancename.domain
So as an example:
