Then they shouldn’t call it “prison abolition”. Leftists are horrible at naming stuff. “Reform prisons? No, let’s headline that we want to abolish them. Reform police? No, let’s say we should stop funding them and also make an acronym saying every individual cop is a bastard, which would basically turn anyone who has had a good experience with someone in the police against our movement”
This is a fair point, but in our atomized society systems that require large amounts of interconnectivity to function are novel. Novelty isn’t really a function of history so much as familiarity.
YSK, anarchists don’t want to “replace” police with community defense - they propose we actually acquire community protection while doing away with an institution whose job is to threaten our community.
Anarchists don’t want to replace a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs that threatens the community with anything because communities never needed a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs whose sole purpose is to threaten communities. So no replacement is required - what they want is the addition of community defense because that is something our communities have never had.
In fact, the first order of business for any form of community defense in our society is to protect the community from said group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs.
No… that wasn’t me. I have a gang of angry liberals following me around and downvoting everything I say - if you’re not appropriately hostile towards me, you get a downvote, too.
To me, “prison abolition” sounds fine, since the new type of detention facilities would have very little in common with traditional prisons, the point of which is, mainly, punishment.
Leftists are horrible at naming stuff only because rightists deliberately misinterpret whatever they come up with. And then the rightist propaganda network parrots that fiction over and over and over.
Then they shouldn’t call it “prison abolition”. Leftists are horrible at naming stuff. “Reform prisons? No, let’s headline that we want to abolish them. Reform police? No, let’s say we should stop funding them and also make an acronym saying every individual cop is a bastard, which would basically turn anyone who has had a good experience with someone in the police against our movement”
the person you’re responding to isn’t a prison abolitionist if they dont say there should be no prisons.
IIRC, anarchists typically want to actually abolish police departments and replace them with a novel method of security called community defense.
it’s not novel. it’s what communities have done since the beginning of time.
This is a fair point, but in our atomized society systems that require large amounts of interconnectivity to function are novel. Novelty isn’t really a function of history so much as familiarity.
YSK, anarchists don’t want to “replace” police with community defense - they propose we actually acquire community protection while doing away with an institution whose job is to threaten our community.
I’m not sure I understand the distinction.
Anarchists don’t want to replace a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs that threatens the community with anything because communities never needed a group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs whose sole purpose is to threaten communities. So no replacement is required - what they want is the addition of community defense because that is something our communities have never had.
In fact, the first order of business for any form of community defense in our society is to protect the community from said group of institutionalized and unaccountable thugs.
Does that make it easier to understand?
Did you actually downvote me for saying that I wasn’t sure what you meant by what you said, or was that someone else?
Lol!
No… that wasn’t me. I have a gang of angry liberals following me around and downvoting everything I say - if you’re not appropriately hostile towards me, you get a downvote, too.
To me, “prison abolition” sounds fine, since the new type of detention facilities would have very little in common with traditional prisons, the point of which is, mainly, punishment.
Leftists are horrible at naming stuff only because rightists deliberately misinterpret whatever they come up with. And then the rightist propaganda network parrots that fiction over and over and over.