• Naz@sh.itjust.works
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    Yeah honestly, I bought Tarkov second-hand for $8 and even then I felt like I was getting ripped off.

    It’s probably not news to anyone but the game has extremely lax anti-cheat controls.

    As for why people would cheat in an online game, it always seems obvious from a psychological standpoint, but the cheats for Tarkov are so egregious they’re like full blown developer offline DEBUG TOOLS.

    I don’t mean “oh no, aim assistance, and they can see you through walls” – the cheat tools are hooking into features of the GAME ENGINE ITSELF, allowing players to see:

    PlayerName, Current HP, Current Level, Full inventory contents, currently equipped weapon, position, heading, estimated value of inventory, estimated value of your account, age of account creation, and so on.
    

    They can also: Teleport, FLY, increase or decrease their run speed, jump height, and so on.

    The cheaters are basically running around with admin privileges in the game, and the developers don’t give a flying fuck. It’s like GTA5 levels of cheating.

    Why would anyone play such a game, much less pay $150 to be abused by people? You can slam your dick in a car door for a lot less.

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      Whats sad is that people keep wanting more client-side anticheat to fix this, when the real answer is server-side anticheat and changing the engine to stop being so leaky with that much information.

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      Cheating is such a hard problem.

      Like, this is what leads to invasive client-side anti-cheat. Which also happens to be one of the main blockers for OS portability.

      But if you make it so that the server has to constantly validate the game state, you get terrible lag.

      You really have to design your game well to deter cheaters. And you have to empower server moderators to ban cheaters. This sorta implies releasing the servers so that communities can run their own instances, because these studios don’t have the resources to handle moderation themselves.

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        the validation shouldn’t cause too much lag since game needs to sync up the game states anyways, which is an operation that is inherently way more expensive than any validation anyways (since each frame of the following game states need to adhere to the game rules anyways, there’s already inherently some form of validation). It’s more about not trusting everything the client says the game state should be.

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      6 months ago

      I mean, i’d argue that a car costs a bit more than $150, but i see your point.

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      Cheaters are a big problem in this game. To experience the cool parts of the game without all the bulshit, there is still SPT-AKI for playing solo and also the SIT mod for PvE multiplayer coop.

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        Actually the game mode is on a pack selling for 250$

        People who already bought the 150$ price only get a 6 month free trial of the game mode.

        Or they pay an extra 100 to upgrade

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        The $150 isn’t for the new game mode. People that paid $150 were told they’d get all DLC. The devs are saying this isn’t DLC and these folks will get it for free once the game is out of early access. People that paid $250 can play this now. People that paid any more will have some level of discount to purchase access to this mode.

        It’s all in the article.

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            There’s nothing remotely close to this in SC history. Also full access to SC is actually less than the cheapest Tarkov package.

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                I think $55 total? $35 for my initial package and I spent $20 a few years ago for a cooler starter ship because I was enjoying the game and wanted to support development. I think the $35 package is now $45 – I bought in on the original Kickstarter – but that price gets you full access to the game and all the ships/hangars/etc… you just don’t start with them, and instead have to earn in-game currency to buy (or rent) them. I wouldn’t want a super expensive starter ship anyway, it skips too much of the early game progression.

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      It’s actually 250 euros for the top tier (267 $us)

      I mean, seriously, what the actual fucking fuck?

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        My brother plays games with in app purchases and he claims to know people who have spent $100K on their profiles. I think building a fire using the cash would be less wasteful

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      I play hearthstone and spend more than that every 3 months to get a complete set of the expansion (well actually now that I think about it, it’s about $150 every three months or so).

      I play a lot so my value to time ratio is pretty good but yeah…I don’t really buy any other games.

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    If only there was a way for dedicated fans to run their own servers for PVE co-op with friends…

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        No. And considering how they are gatekeeping the feature behind a 250$ purchase, it is very lucrative for them to keep it that way. Unless shit hits the fan and the players decide they won’t pay.

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          Apparently there is! There is a mod for SPT called MPT (now renamed to fika). It has a github but the download is only available through their discord. Took me a while to find it. Gonna see if we can get it working tomorrow.

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    Grey Zone Warfare is almost done, why would I give money to tarkov devs, especially now that everyone can plainly see they’ll do shitty shit to their playerbase?

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    6 months ago

    Interesting aside - gamers continue to enable these thieves by “leasing” their products. Boycott? No?

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    I was a big fan of the game. Always thought it had potential to be great. I had already quit this wipe pretty much as soon as I hit Max traders. Don’t think I’ll be returning back next wipe.

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    6 months ago

    Not one of the stupid people whod pay for that. So whats the problem?

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      The previous most expensive option ($150 I think) included all future DLC. Now they added this game mode and charge $250 for it, and the players who payed extra earlier don’t get it included.

      Also, I’d totally return to the game for a while for this mode assuming there aren’t wipes ever. That’s my issue with the game. I don’t like losing all progress every few months. I don’t want to play the game enough at once to reach the end game in that period. I only payed for the standard edition though, and I sure as hell am not paying $250 for this.

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        Look into the SPtarkov mod. It is regretfully only single player but you can just relax and sometimes do a mission or 2. It also has mod support to remove the things about the game you find tiresome.

        Every now and again I fire it up and play a map or 2. I have had the same character for over a year now.