• minkshaman@lemmy.perthchat.org
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    I’ll tell you a secret you might have missed.

    It’s not about the privacy.

    It’s about a foreign country of similar power levels having the ability to shape your people’s political opinions.

    They’re shitting themselves because it’s one of the first times it’s happened to them instead of them doing it to someone else.

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      I feel like the American media is out of control and is no longer a tool of the people, but a fire hose of the wealthy, disseminating whatever will help them keep their power.

      They have convinced the people that news makes you intelligent, when really the lack of new ideas and differing viewpoints creates a closed feedback loop so they just regurgitate whatever they hear with absolute confidence, but if you ask them a question it all falls apart.

      Fox, CNN, New York Times, NPR, it’s all owned or supported in such a way that they dare not bite the hand that feeds it.

      So I, for one, am open to hearing what foreign countries have to say.

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    American politicians don’t need social media to invade peoples privacy. The patriot act sealed the deal a while ago. If they want to spy, they’re going to.

    I should also add that the whole tik tok ban is just a way to toss in extra laws that give the America government more control. They say it’s about tik tok, but it’s a scapegoat to get people to vote for invasive laws.

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    Americans when Canadians say they’d prefer TikTok spying vs an American company:

    but seriously. I want no one to have my data, but if someone HAD to have it, I would prefer TikTok over anything from Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc…

    My country wont export me to China if I post something negative or pirate something. My country will export me to the US if they come banging on my door. I am quite literally safer letting China have a bit of my data.

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          The point being that the US even if aggressive uses the proper channels to pursue action against entities it believes to be dangerous?

          How is that worse than China illegally and secretively doing the exact same thing within your own borders they promised to respect.

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            I DO NOT WANT MY DATA ON AMERICAN SERVERS.

            I DO NOT WANT MY DATA ON AMERICAN SERVERS.

            I DO NOT WANT MY DATA ON AMERICAN SERVERS.

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              Okay next time you can stop there then if that’s all you want to say. No need to vaguely complain about YOUR GOVERNMENT extraditing criminals to the US while willfully ignoring the fact China engages in ILLEGAL operations within your border.

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      This is the worst take I’ve ever heard. The concerns are “capitalist targeted advertising” vs “a foreign power abusing American user data to target and push agendas on it’s people”.

      Is lemmygrad leaking??

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        I’m not a lemmygrad user. I’m simply stating facts?

        There’s literally many recent news articles of Canadians getting in legal trouble from American companies because of the things they posted or things they downloaded.

        The Canadian government isn’t handing me over to China or allowing China to come get me.

        My comment is not even pro China. I’m just saying that nothing I say or do will allow China to put me in jail. Can’t say the same about America.

        You should learn to read. I would prefer no one get my data, but it’s statistically safer for me for China to get it over an American company. However, no one should get it. Fuck shit American companies, fuck shit Chinese companies.

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          How is “getting in trouble with American companies” (i.e. getting banned from a platform for breaking their rules) worse than a foreign power trying to influence a countries people? You’re not going to jail for posting dumb bullshit lol

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            Who said about getting banned?

            If I pirate Photoshop, Adobe could come for me if they really wanted to. Canada doesn’t care about piracy, you don’t need to use a VPN here, but if the American company Adobe really wanted at me, Canada would not stop them.

            If I pirated some Chinese software there their government couldn’t do shit to me.

            You know geohot, the guy sued by Sony for hacking the ps3? He was American, but that doesn’t change much. If he was Canadian, he would’ve been fucked just the same. Now if I hacked a Chinese console to enable piracy, literally nothing would happen to me.

            If I made a threat on the Presidents life, I would be watched and potentially have American feds knocking on my door. If I threatened China, I would get upvotes and people would laugh.

            You’re not really understanding what I’m saying. I’m assuming you’re American? The country where pretty much every massive company operates from? Well, the rest of the world hates that nearly everything we do is funneled back into the US.

            Use Windows? MacOS? Android? iOS? Gmail? Outlook? Yahoo? Microsoft Office? Facebook? Instagram? Reddit?.. the list goes on.

            Now imagine if 95% of your data was funneled into a different country. I’m sure you’d hate it. Especially with the state of American politics right now. Your country is dangerous.

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              I’m not American, I’m Canadian, and I never said that I’m cool with their government’s recent developments, but that doesn’t mean the Chinese government collecting and using your data to push it’s agenda on foreign citizens is better, that’s absolutely insane.

              And your argument is that you want to freely and openly hack proprietary software and make threats on the US president’s life? Lol what the fuck.

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                Please tell me where China is pushing their agenda on me? My TikTok is full of American and Canadian creators, talking about technology, science, animals, and comedy. Also a bit of food.

                That’s also not my argument, but congrats on missing the point.

                If you don’t understand what I’m saying, that’s on you. I’m not having a back and forth about this any longer, I escaped Reddit because of that. You can go back there if you want to argue and mix words with others. I’m not having that.

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              No, the US is the foreign power who’s culture has the biggest influence on people in Canada, there’s no tangible reason to believe that big US tech companies are feeding your data to the US government and taking orders on how to influence it’s people. Tech companies in the US have shown time and time again that they have no interest in working with the US government (a problem of itself) and every piece of user data handed over has been through a court order.

              TikTok has failed numerous global security audits and there’s reason to believe that they’re tied directly to the Chinese government and being used by the Chinese government to influence foreign citizens via misinformation and the removal of “anti-Chinese” material.

              Yeah yeah, both are bad, sure, but one is worse and it’s direct Chinese government influence. Anyone that says otherwise is a troll or needs to seriously practice some basic critical thinking skills.

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                US is the foreign power whose culture, money, media companies, and oligarchs have the biggest influence on Canada. This is the country that constantly meddles in Canadian politics. Meanwhile, we know perfectly well after Snowden leaks that US companies very much do work with US government, and one has to be an utter ignoramus to claim otherwise.

                Meanwhile, numerous audits have shown that the type of data TikTok collects is exactly the same as any other major social media platform. Stop spreading misinformation here.

                Thinking that there is any equivalence between the amount of influence US and China have on Canada is sheer idiocy, and your woefully misinformed comment inadvertently highlights the problem. You should take your own advice and practice some critical thinking skill as not to make a 🤡 of yourself in public in the future.

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                  Meanwhile, we know perfectly well after Snowden leaks that US companies very much do work with US government, and one has to be an utter ignoramus to claim otherwise.

                  As I previously said, this was data they were ordered to hand over, which is obviously problematic, but since then E2EE has been implemented all over big tech while they’ve fought against backdoor access. While this is obviously self-serving and only because of global backlash, it proves that these tech companies have no interest in working for the US government. Your statements are surface level depth and show a real lack of understanding on this subject.

                  Meanwhile, numerous audits have shown that the type of data TikTok collects is exactly the same as any other major social media platform. Stop spreading misinformation here.

                  Stop sliding the conversation. I never said they collected more data, I said they’ve failed security audits and there is reason to believe they are willingly handing it over the Chinese government and taking direction from the Chinese government.

                  Thinking that there is any equivalence between the amount of influence US and China have on Canada is sheer idiocy, and your woefully misinformed comment inadvertently highlights the problem.

                  Lol again, as I said, you’re mistaking culture influence for foreign government influence.

                  You’re continuously sliding the conversation into trying to make it sound like I feel like US tech has no issues while being critical of Chinese tech. I am critical of both, however I’m not an “utter ignoramus” lmao and I can recognize how fucking stupid of a statement “I prefer China to have my data” is.

                  I’m gunna go with Chinese propaganda troll for you!

                  Edit: Hahaha called it. Check out this dude’s posts, it’s all Chinese and anti-west propaganda.

  • Nioxic@lemmy.world
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    i’d rather be spied on by an allied country, or my own, than a somewhat hostile country.

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      politicians are actively talking about banning tiktok. let me know when they do the same for twitter, instagram, reddit, facebook, tinder, youtube, google, amazon, and every other US site that does the exact same snooping that tiktok does. THEN we can say “both are bad”.

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        I think you’ve got it backwards. If we can’t acknowledge that both are bad before talking about banning them, then what justification do we have for banning them?

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    The key difference is that American Government agencies don’t have access to the information TikTok steals from its users.

    Edit: This comment implied the US has easy access to the data from companies like Facebook.

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      This is naive. America has all the laws they need to get data from private companies, just the same as China

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        Sure, but there’s a difference between having the potential to do something, and actively doing it. I’m aware the FBI/CIA can get my data from Google if they want it, but something would have to trigger them into wanting to investigate me. With a Chinese company there is no “if”, all of the data goes straight to the CCP. Tencent, the bloated multimedia company, even had a moment of ironic hypocrisy where they didn’t want to give away all of their users’ data.

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        And thanks to Snowden revelations we know for a fact that US companies work directly with US government and share all their user data.