I’m going to write something unpopular, and I’m not even sure I agree with it, but it’s a 9gag PTSD…
Although I wish Reddit will soon rot and I’m an atheist, we all know who the people focused on criticizing only Islam are. And we all know what their focus on this religion tries to hide…
I prefer the company of people who are either neutral about religion or hates them all equally.
As a gay men, I am very anti Islam and I dont care what people think of me. Sure, im anti any religion, but Islam actively persecutes gay men and countries with a majority of Islam have death penalty on gay men. People coming to west Europe from Islamic countries are bringing their homophobic thinking and unfortunately there has been several attacks from Islamic people where members of the lgbt community have ended in the hospital with broken bones.
No religion is good but Islam is a cancer for LGBT people
The problem is where the mainstream lies. In Islam, the mainstream is fundamentalism. Of course, fundamentalism is a problem for Christianity and every other religion too, but right now that is not the mainstream of those sects. And that is why Islam gets criticized more heavily than other religions.
Fundamentalism is cancerous wherever it lives.
There are 1.9 BILLION Muslims globally.
You think the vast majority of them are fundamentalists?
Certainly not the majority, but being “mainstream” doesn’t require a majority.
Bruh the only reason Christians aren’t doing the same is so people like you give them the moral high ground ignoring the literal billions of deaths associated with Christianity. You fell for it, they make moves behind closed doors rather than screaming it from the rooftops but that doesn’t mean what they’re doing isn’t actually more heinous.
It’s disengenuious to say Christianity isn’t changing to be more welcoming though, ay least in some places. Look at the Church if England and their change of opinion on things over the years.
It’s disingenuous to claim that the minority of Christianity represents the whole. That aside it’s a religion based just as much on hate is Islam, Islamics are just out in the open about it.
Can you elaborate in the billions of deaths associated with Christianity?
Well about six million of them are from the crusades.
Lets be real, all religions have caused a lot of suffering and death. At least nowadays there are gay priests/gay churches/ churches that have the rainbow flag, while there almost none islam temples that would do that. The only one I know is one in Berlin that has been constantly being damaged by other islamics and it has to be protected by the police. Almost all christian coutries had at least decriminalizazed homosexuality and a lot of them have made it legal. There are no islamic countries that had legalized same sex marriage, and most of them penalize homosexuality with death/life imprisonment, etc
After centuries of Muslim wars of expansion, the Crusades were organized by western European Christians to stop the expansion of Muslim states. Christianity has evolved to a point where today it acts as an ethic compass in a secular system, unlike Islam, where it wants to dictate everything in life.
hot take crusaids were justified they were taking back the land where muslims commited genocide , slavery and sex slavery, down to the last child.
You mean the same place that saw Christians take the city and kill every man woman and child, torturing some and raping as they went. Also you can’t take back land that was never yours. But sure, ignore the written accounts that the "holy land"was taken solely to profit from trade that moved through it.
Thank you for saying this. Being anti-religion and anti-Islam are not the same thing. Context would be very helpful for OPs post because that changes the whole conversation really.
Although I wish Reddit will soon rot and I’m an atheist, we all know who the people focused on criticizing only Islam are.
A large number of them are former muslims who managed to escape from oppressive islamic regimes, and are now outspoken activists against an evil ideology.
I prefer the company of people who are either neutral about religion or hates them all equally.
That’s pretty stupid on your part either way. Neutrality towards religion is simply complicity. “Hating them all equally” is absurd and simple-minded, as every religion differs wildly in the level of harm it does. Islam and christianity are objectively the most harmful religions in existence today, and to focus your disdain on the one that you have the most experience with or poses the biggest threat to you is entirely reasonable.
Didn’t read past the second line, but fyi, I know there are former muslims. My mom is one of them. I should have written more carefully “except former muslims, obviously”.
The overwhelming majority of Islam focused critics, at least in western countries ? Culturo-fascists and white supremacists.
Obviously I can understand not liking it when people single out one group and ignore another. But am I correct in understanding that you’re saying you like people more for “hating” groups of people who are different to you? Don’t get me wrong, there are without question aspects of certain religions which are harmful. But saying that hating every religious person is a good thing is way over the top. Everyone deserves to be respected and treated well, not hated because of their beliefs.
Careful- they only talked about hatred of religion, not the religious. A subtle but enormous difference.
You’re absolutely right. That is a very important distinction to make. One which I think should be more actively emphasised. There are absolutely people who hate people for being religious. Definitely want to clarify to make it clearer what is meant
There are absolutely people who hate people for being religious.
Can you point to one? I don’t see any.
Are you suggesting that there is not one single person who hates religious people? All I’m saying is that people should accept other people and leave them to believe what they want to believe. I don’t think any reasonable person would disagree with that freedom
No, not at all. I’m saying that the op was complaining about religion, not faith. So talking about people who hate others due to their religion seems a bit off-topic.
Ah, I see. Well to explain what I mean, I was saying that the message he was converting could be misinterpreted and imo it should be stated more prominently what he actually means so that he doesn’t sound like one of these people. For the record, I am specifically referring to the last part of his message
I disagree. Islam is killing gay men and/or imprision them for life. They are bringing their homophobic ideals into western europe. I wont accept homophobia and right now islam = homophobia.
Islam is just one religion. It’s not all religions and not all religious people are like that. Not even all followers of Islam are like that. Dislike a person for what they have done. Don’t dislike a person for what they believe. I’m not suggesting that no one has done anything bad for a religion at all. I’m saying hating a person simply because they identify as a part of a religion is extremely shortsighted and makes this world worse
P.S. : I wrote a detailed thread about this here : https://lemmy.world/post/2739891
Hmm. If I meet people who are deeply anti religious, I prefer them to show hatred equally to all of them. So I know there’s no ethno-cultural aspect to their hatred and it’s strictly philosophical. I also understand specific reject based on life experiences.
Overall, I feel better around people who are at least a little open to understanding some people want to believe, even if they hate the religious institutions (as I do) in something and not necessarily belittling religion as a practice, a faith, a way of life. But I deeply resent people who aggressively tried to convert me to their religion. And I’d never try to make someone who believes an atheist. I wouldn’t feel superior or more enlightened than a believer and I’d expect the same in return.
Well said! I think I agree with pretty much all of that
Although I’m not totally satisfied with what I wrote. I may write a new thread about all this whenever I have time to think about it better.
To be fair, athiests in general should be migrating to Lemmy. So far it’s been a better community and I no longer feel like the butt of Reddit stereotype jokes.
We might also get censored here, but fediverse gives even the most fringe views a home (as evidenced by recent fediverse drama). And if that happened, we can always make a dedicated athiest instance, similar to how communists all have their own instance. It’s important for ex-thiests to have a support system to help deprogram weird shit they learned as children.
The thing is that “atheism” seems to moreso mean that kind of militant atheist, the ones that treat atheism as a religion by itself (failing to see the irony) and push it onto others. Forcing atheism onto another is the same as forcing christianity or judaism onto another, and making fun of religious nutjobs is not something exclusive to atheism. The term has gotten some bad connotations because of that. Personally when I see the term “atheist” my first thought is “neo-theist loser with a grudge against psychological/spiritual comforts,” and I’m not of faith myself.
I’m not talking about like… brigading or conversion stuff. To use an example from my own life, I (ironically) teach at a Catholic university and, on occasion, a student who is questioning their faith will bring it up to me because it tends to come up that I’m atheist. At that point, it’s not a matter of forcing anything on people, it’s a matter of giving support to someone who is going to have a really hard time dealing with their family, friends, and school. Online communities are great for that.
how to make one? EDIT: I found this https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html but i still don’t understand how to make it.
Thanks, already subscribed. ;P
no i meant making an specific instance eg: lemmygrad
Can’t think of a reason why you would, but you do you.
I don’t think it’s necessary as is as long as Lemmyworld is chill. Just a thought that at least we have the power to if they ever went overboard.
Being an atheist is not something extreme or anything. I don’t see why there should be a problem now or in the future. Just don’t threaten to kill theists.
It’s just a matter of running the software on a server and configuring it
Nah, there are plenty of atheists that love licking the capitalist boot that exploits and oppresses them. Hell, that’s just modern American libertarianism.
It doesn’t take a notably intelligent person to recognize the invisible man in the sky judging you horseshit for what it is.
My only real problem so far is seeing a community called “Religious Cringetards”. Not big on seeing “tards”.
What is this, a screenshot for ants?
rightclick open image in new tab
Opening it in another tab doesn’t add more pixels.
I’m in mobile so not sure how it is on desktop. But for me it was good quality and very readable
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It’s 497x886 pixels. It’s not a large image.
Your assertion may be correct, but that screenshot is worthless as far as evidence is concerned.
Reddit has been overtly censoring posts for a long, long time now. It’s no surprise whatsoever. The platform is basically just ads and bots at this point, very similar to Facebook.
What was the original post?
it criticized a person for trying to justify pedophilia in absured ways. mainly: infants matured faster, thus they were ready for marriage. Aisha (mohammad’s 9 year old wife) was especially more mature than other kids so she was ready for consumnation of the marrige.
I’m confused on where the criticism of Islam comes into play?
islam allows child, even infant marrige and sex
I think there’s a difference between islam the religion and the laws of Islamic theocratic countries which rule based on their specific interpretation of the Quran
When all the smart ones leave, you need to appeal to the ignorant. 🤷🏻♂️
It always makes me chuckle when one religion decides to criticize another religion.
All of your belief systems are nonsense.
So when two religions criticize each other it’s funny, but when a non-faith criticizes other faiths it’s a-okay?
Correct.
So you openly consider yourself a careless hypocrite?
No, because there is nothing hypocritical about it.
How so?
Well first of all, criticising something is generally ok. We’re allowed to do that.
However, if two religious people are criticising each other about their relgion, that’s basically two people arguing about something they are both wrong about. That’s what makes it funny.
Respecting others’ beliefs is important, regardless of whether we share the same faith or hold atheistic views. It’s not about determining who’s right or wrong; rather, it’s about promoting understanding and empathy. Mocking or belittling others’ beliefs can be hurtful and divisive. Instead we should strive for mutual respect and a more inclusive attitude towards different perspectives.
It’s dying, so glad we have better options anyways such as lemmy. Greed and power got to it.
