What about Ryzen 9?
I just bought a 5800X3D so I don’t need it, but I’m happy they still support AM4.
Bro same here, bought my x3d this morning and thought were dropping something new now and panicked a bit.
New 5700 as well? Nice
I’ll think I’ll wait at least 6 months before upgrading my 3600. 🤔
I mean whats the point? The 5700X3D will be basically a slower 5800x3D. Seems odd to me. I would have liked to see more CPUs with v-cache like a 5500X3D and v-cache on APUs.
leftover chips that dont meet EPYC power draw requirements but don’t clock high enough for a 5800X3D so instead of throwing it away they sell a slightly worse chip, basically how all gpu/cpu binning works.
They are reusing something that already exists not making something entirely new.My first thought would be power usage – 5700X is 65W, while the 5800X & 5800X3D was 105W. However, that turns out to not be true, as a quick check of the 5600X3D has it rated at 105W, while the 5600X was 65W. So that’s not it.
I suspect the real point is probably just yields, the same reason the 5600X3D existed (and maybe the 5700X itself, iirc). These may just be the same chips, with 8 working cores (vs 6 for the 5600X3d), but clocked lower.
5700X3D will be basically a slower 5800x3D. Seems odd to me.
Allows them to sell lower binned chips that didn’t pass all the quals to meet the requirements to be sold as a 5800x3D, but can still be used at lower clock speeds without issue.
There’s also an NPU version coming supposedly. In any case it would be better to see what they release before buying something. I was just gonna upgrade to the cheapest 5600 available.
I don’t think I need the extra power right now. Most of my games run just fine. Except Starfield, but it’s a shitty game anyway.
Make me cheap x3d pls
Supposedly there will be an RX 5500X3D coming in the near future. Wish granted
They need to make the PRO variants more accessible this time around. The 5X50G/E were and still are next to impossible to find.
The target market for those chips buys almost exclusively from large OEM system builders, so that’s where all the supply went.
Yeah it makes sense. Rarely do people custom build their own office machines. But they are great chips for low power with ECC. That’s a rare thing to find when doing a custom build.
I’ve been trying to get one for a high efficiency build, but the sparse availability and relatively high cost (compared to non GE equivalent) is keeping me from buying one
I find the 4750G and 4650G come up on eBay often for decent prices. Not too different from the 5000 series PRO chips. I think slightly different cache amounts and of course just a bit slower performance (Zen2 vs Zen3). Still very efficient.
The only thing I’m not sure about is their max RAM amount. I know the 5X50G series supports 128GB (depending on mb), but can’t find any info on the 4X50G series. I assume also 128GB like the non-PRO variants.
I got my 5650G on EBay for ~ $170 USD and the 5750G was previously > $300 but I noticed a few sellers at the $200 mark lately.
I put this into my server, its running 64gb of ECC memory and handles my transcoding and Jellyfin very well. Multiple 4K Transcodes and HDR support out of the box, while consuming as little as 10w to do so. Its the perfect media server platform as it checked off all the boxes.
My server needs an overhaul (Ivy Bridge Xeon + 8GB ram). I’ve been thinking of using Zen 3 too, since Zen 4 is too expensive. What motherboard and memory modules are you using? And did you verify that ECC corrections and errors are sent to the OS (more info: https://hardwarecanucks.com/cpu-motherboard/ecc-memory-amds-ryzen-deep-dive/5/)?
dmidecode -t 17
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0030
Error Information Handle: 0x003F
Total Width: 72 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 16 GBAccording to dmidecode it is properly utilizing ECC, my non ECC systems only show 64 total and data width.
I totally went on a guess if this would work as there is not very much ‘complete’ information on this build. As mentioned in the link you posted its very hit or miss. Since I have ZFS running on here, one of its soft requirements are ECC so I wanted to ensure I had it fully implemented or not.
I am using my old desktop platform on an Asus Prime Pro x470 with this memory. Its clocked at 2666MHz with some fairly loose timings (no XMP/DOCP, I kept timing stock). I was able to easily get it to 3200MHz with a slight voltage increase for some slight gains.
The G CPU’s are not all dreams, I had to update my stable Debian’s kernel to a backport and to use tools like radeontop or nvtop I had to compile them in manually as the distro ones are too old to read the Renoir based GPU. Outside of that, everything works great for Jellyfin running behind linuxservers docker container. I used the linuxserver/mods:jellyfin-amd docker mod on their jellyfin container and it worked right away. H264/H265 and HDR support all out of the box.
Its a great chip, I am very happy with my purchase. 4.2GHz all core with boost around 4.6GHz.
Thanks for the reply! It does seem like, from my research, that the Asus boards (specifically Prime, but probably all of them) support ECC completely. But as you said, this information is not centralized anywhere. Just random forum posts like this.
aww shit. just as I was about to buy a 5700x lol. wonder how the 5000gt series will differ
So excited, hopefully this time around AsRock or someone else will provide ultra tiny X300 DeskMini successor that doesn’t have a dogshit I/O… USB4 or riot!
When are the next Ryzen CPU chips supposed to release? It’s been close to a year already hasn’t it?
If you mean Zen 5, late next year.
Closing in on 15 months since initial launch for Zen4 parts. Time is super weird.
AM4 was released in 2017 and will still get something in 2024… AMD really cherishes each socket.
It was actually released in 2016. And it’s currently tied with LGA 775 for longest support window. And if it actually gets the 5500x3d and/or the 5700x3d or these GT chips next year? It’ll actually be the longest supported socket ever unless im mistaken.
AM4 actually had chips before Ryzen with old Bristol ridge apus. Which released in 2016 before Ryzen came along in 2017.
So in theory you could go from an old Bristol Ridge steamroller based chip all the way to an r7 5800x3d on one motherboard in theory…
Like threadripper or any socket before AM4?
So far AM4 is a huge anomaly, not the norm.
That’s what I think people really seem to ignore, a lot of PC enthusiasts that don’t look into the history of AMD support. Yes, AM4 support is awesome, but I would be leery (if not outright cynical) about expecting the same for AM5.
I wasn’t into PCs at the time, but AM3 was released in 2009, and AM4 wasn’t launched until 2016. Where there compatibility issues with newer AM3 CPUs on older AM3 boards?
AM3 had a physical refresh in the form of AM3+ in 2011, to support DDR3. Compatibility was not guaranteed for older boards, since those chipsets supported DDR2. Additionally, there was a separate socket for APUs in the form of FM1(2011), FM2(2012), FM2+(2014), and AM1(2014, made for desktop SoCs, meaning the chipset was on the die instead of the motherboard).
AMD really cleaned up and got it together with AM4.
AM4 would have been more shortlived if the community weren’t vocal about holding them to their written commitment to AM4 through 2020. A large concern was with older boards not having enough space to support AGESA updates for newer processors, along with newer chipsets not being readily available to support Zen 3 processors initially. I think AMD realized they garnered a lot of consumer goodwill and didn’t want to just throw it away so quickly.
AM5 is still new, with support up to 2025. It’s possible that we’ll get Zen 5 and then they move on to AM6, but if the past is an indicator, they may hold off until something necessitates a design change for the architecture or memory support. Rather than hold out on promises yet fulfilled, I say buy what serves your needs now.
Thanks! Wow that is a ton for the APUs.
I do hope they continue with the strategy of fully refining the platform before moving on with AM5 like they did with AM4. If the rumors (granted, they are rumors) for Zen 5 are even half true, then there is still quite a bit of performance on the table for AM 5. I think having the socket released at the same time as DDR5 will also make it more likely to last longer, but of course nobody knows for sure. It would be nice though.
AM4 is actually FM3.
Marketing changed the same to associate it with the bigger construction cores rather than APUs.
AMD docs called it as such until the marketing change.
Yea definitely, different mobos got it better than others but you kinda needed to check chipset compatibility for every mobo
The fact that AM4 is still supported gives me hope for AM5.
Especially given the performance gains that are rumored for Zen 5. It’s supposed to be even bigger than the performance gain from Zen 3 to Zen 4 when we got the 7000 series processors, rumored at a 30% increase.
I’d be happy even if it was another 15% increase like the last generation, 30 would be insane if they actually hit that.
Going to be honest, every time there is a new socket and new generation there is a lot of hype about it. People talking about ~30% performance uplifts, half power consumption, etc.
Sometimes there are dramatic uplifts. The 3000 series were a substantial uplift from 2000 series. The 5800x3D really is a godlike chip that performs in games roughly the same as a 7600x, and sometimes beats it.
But most of the time it’s a steady 5-7% uplift of IPC and 5-7% clock speed improvement, leading to about a 10-15% uplift over previous generation. Sometimes we get a surprise but it’s rare.
Zen -> Zen 2: 15%
Zen2 -> Zen3: 19%
Zen3 -> Zen4: 14%
AMD literally made double digit IPC gains for each architecture iteration
Can someone make sure am4 isn’t a zombie at this point?
How good of an upgrade would this be from a i713500k?
I really do hope these have the beans to really replace basic GPU options like the 1650, 6400, and A380.
AM4 as always seems to be holding up extremely well, it was simple and cheap.
Makes sense they still make chips for it because there still is people with 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen. Giving them more options for upgrading, specially new options is a big plus.
I mean, I have a 5600G with a 7800 XT running. If that 8000G were to come out, I may jump to AM5 and give the AM4 system (minus GPU of course) in different hands.
Though I’m not sure, if that 8000G or an 8800X3D would be the better choice. Don’t both have APUs inside them anyway?
> Don’t both have APUs inside them anyway?
Yeah but in different league. The igpu is good enough for non-intensive tax and maybe can play some older game.