can’t wait to see the hexbear response to this one
You don’t have to wait you can just go look at them whenever you want.
https://hexbear.net/post/1070892
They won’t be showing up here, this is a lemmy.world community and they are defederated afaik.
My God, they’re just fanscreeching there and trying to make themselves interesting in the cringiest way about it. As always, tbh
The larger response is in this thread where the meme was crossposted, almost 400 comments
Hexbear: [image of a pig pooping on its own balls]
Truly, walking in the shoes of Marx and Engels. Such eloquence.
Are the hexbears in the room with you right now?
No, they were defederated. Although I’m sure many of them have alt accounts here because trolls love to troll and get sad when you exile them.
I get it.
They’re completely irrelevant for people like you and me, though. I don’t worry about who’s trolling me (tbh, haven’t been trolled on lemmy yet), and I don’t let them live rent free in my mind. They’re not politically important, they’re small, they’re isolated.
Politically, I belong in the group in the meme with our backs against the wall. This weird fixation on hexbear feels like a sort of online red scare. I know full well I’ll be called a communist and grouped in with the tankies by 99% of people who don’t post on places like lemmy. Most people don’t distinguish between trade unionists and anarchists, and stalinists/maoists.
If Trump gets elected again, I don’t think he’s gonna differentiate between tankies, anarchists, socialists, Marxists, liberals, etc. if you are left of him, it’s the wall. But these “leftists” keep shadow-boxing an imaginary enemy. Kinda Sus.
Idk, I see comments from a group calling for nuking a hemisphere of the planet almost daily there to eradicate groups based on skin color and political beliefs.
‘Red scare’ is a bullshit term when the comments are still there for anyone to see. It’s the difference between a storm watch and a storm warning.
I have 0 patience for violent authoritarians, be they liberal, conservative, communist, white or brown or black. You shouldn’t either, be better.
They aren’t the only internet echo chamber. I feel no need to wring my hands over the fact they exist. They have no influence over me, my instance is defederated from them, just like lemmy.world. And, it’s not like they’re out there banning books and participating in local elections, like other groups are. I see no likely future where they can do anything but shitpost.
If you feel like you’re improving the world by heading over there and reading distressing stuff, I’m not going to stop you, buddy. I’ll start worrying when they start having any influence at all. There are bigger fish to fry out there.
That’s just what a tankie would say. /s
I like how all the pictures are wojacks or hand drawns and Khrushchev is just his character from Oversimplified
Meanwhile, OP: 🍿
If tankies when they’re gonna be real surpises when the qouta for poets was met ages ago and it’s time to go to the coal mines.
You didn’t mention the Prague Spring or the whole of the assassination attempts on Tito or the East German uprising in 1953.
NNNOOOO!!! HOW DARE YOU UN-WHITEWASH LENIN!!! NOOOO!!! Tankies tried SO HARD to make Makhno disappear like Trotsky! You LIBERAL AMERICANS!!! REEEEEE!!!
Here is Makhno in 1920 after agreeing to a temporary ceasefire:
"Military hostilities between the Makhnovist revolutionary insurgents and the Red Army have ceased. Misunderstandings, vagueness and inaccuracies have grown up around this truce: it is said that Makhno has repented of his anti-Bolshevik acts, that he has recognized the soviet authorities, etc. How are we to understand, what construction are we to place upon this peace agreement?
What is very clear already is that no intercourse of ideas, and no collaboration with the soviet authorities and no formal recognition of these has been or can be possible. We have always been irreconcilable enemies, at the level of ideas, of the party of the Bolshevik-communists.
We have never acknowledged any authorities and in the present instance we cannot acknowledge the soviet authorities. So again we remind and yet again we emphasize that, whether deliberately or through misapprehension, there must be no confusion of military intercourse in the wake of the danger threatening the revolution with any crossing-over, ‘fusion’ or recognition of the soviet authorities, which cannot have been and cannot ever be the case."
— quoted in Nestor Makhno: Anarchy’s Cossack, a pro-Makhno book
Just because people are enemies doesn’t mean they can have a truce. Who broke that truce?
it appears to have been mutually understood
After the Seige of Perekop, Makhno’s aide-de-camp Grigori Vassilevsky, announced the agreement was over:
That’s the end for the agreement! Take my word for it, within one week the Bolsheviks are going to come down on us like a ton of bricks!
— Grigori Vassilevsky, quoted in the same book
Welp you win, you have sources and all that.
Just stopping by to say fuck tankies. Ok bye.
It’s easy to make a list of all communists countries that turned fascists and massacred people. You don’t do that with capitalists because there are simply too many, everywhere, in about all of history.
It’s almost like the main problem with both authoritarian communism and authoritarian capitalism might be the authoritarianism.
welcome
Just that most captialist counties are democracies and all communist countries are authoritarian because communism and it’s limiting of rights doesn’t go without a dictatorship and the murder of millions of innocent people 😇
Just as a true socialist country has never existed, a true capitalist country has never existed. Economies are always mixed.
If only we could imagine what a truly capitalist country would look like in the future! Like, I don’t know, we call this genra something like cyberpunk?
Hahaha I win. I have created a work of fiction and where you are bad and I am good.
But that also exists for my side, yk, Orwellian. Brave New World too.
Ssshhhjttt, don’t be reasonable, you’re gonna make them cry
It would be 100% with capitalist as well.
As DarthBueller@lemmy.world less succinctly put it. Capitalism is barely a few hundred years old. It’s barely existed a fraction of human history. It’s barely older than many of the original socialist ideals. Let alone all of history. Markets and currency predate capitalism and socialism by millennia. And neither has claim to them. Despite both making use of them.
That said fuck leninists. Actual communists are pretty chill though. But leninists and capitalists are a threat to everyone. Including themselves.
Just as a true socialist country has never existed, a true capitalist country has never existed. Economies are always mixed.
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“libertarian socialist” •_•
I’m not familiar with the incident with Khrushchev, but the others didn’t just kill the anarchists for no reason. Each leader was faced with an incredibly unstable country and economy. Anarchists hate government. So naturally, they’ll join with the other leftists to take down the government. But, once the revolution is over, it’s time to reorganize and reestablish a government. As I said though, anarchists hate government. So, they continue to destabilize and fight against the government, even though the new government is trying to reorganize and develop a stable economy.
Each groups was told to stand down and join in rebuilding the their respective countries or risk causing more widespread famine and throw the country into… Well anarchy. The problem isn’t that these leaders are necessarily evil men for what they did to the anarchists. The problem is the dangers that the anarchists created for the people of China and the Soviet Union. This is why Anarchism has never succeeded on a large scale. It’s only good at disruption and destruction. Read about Spain in the late 19th century for examples. No country can survive under constant revolution.
Calling people “tankies” calls forth an imagine of old men yelling at everyone to stay off their lawn.
You mean, instead of the definition of being fans of genocidal maniacs who would turn tanks onto the population?
I couldn’t care less what they are, it using derogatory terms to describe someone is childish.
For me it gets me picturing the tank man getting turned into ground beef by a tank while his countrymen cheer.
