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So… is twitter just a bunch of memes, or is it that any plain text on a white background is a meme?
What do you mean bro words are my favorite meme format it’s so flexible
You see, the DNC, leaders of the DNC know that your only sensible options are voting for them or sawing your own legs off, and they know that the reasonable people know this and the loud people are not smart.
This means that any time they lose, they can use that opportunity to shift more towards the right, as they are for the most part old rich conservative people.
The only thing they actually fear, is people being consistent long term in both voting for them, and voting to replace them slowly with more progressive elements, but we’re back at the loud people being dumb and encouraging voter apathy amongst themselves and others because it feels cathartic to complain when this is exactly what the DNC wants. They want voter apathy so they can continue to shift to the right. If they kept winning, and progressives kept winning, they’d have no choice but to shift to the left.
It feels so obvious, but on this site, it seems you are seen to be crazy if you suggest anything other than some fantasy solution involving guillotines and a lot of “no, you go first”, or more self foot gunning.
What actually is the Dem base?
That’s just it, there isn’t one.
The right has a few different branches of the same kind of base: groups with actual political capital, the most basic, orcish kind, but it works and progressives broadly have not found a way to unify with any kind of alternative group identity.
Seriously, I am not sure what the left/progressives really think is going to happen here doing the same things over and over, expecting different results. They are still tone-policing, lecturing, and purity-testing as a fucking culture, meanwhile the right is forming war-bands of people who embrace the American flag, carry weapons and will march in lock-step with their leaders.
Groups like that are the power that has formed nations and held up empires. Why is it so hard to imagine having the same kind of force and political capital but without the hate and xenophobia and anti-science rhetoric?
Meanwhile I will spend hours arguing with people on Lemmy trying to convince other people who loved Duck Tales that the show is problematic. Everyone has their own little branch-off faction where they argue with other progressives about the pettiest, performative lines-in-the-sand to virtue signal how incredibly progressive they are while letting the country erode to dust.
The only other alternative just barely left of center is fucking liberals and I don’t even want to start on them.
I’m way overdue for this question, but can someone explain to me what “GOP” is? I’m not interested in US politics too much (I don’t live anywhere close) but of course lots of US politics news reaches me regardless. I know the two parties, but “GOP” is mentioned from time to time and I have no clue what it is, other than that it has something to do with the Republican party.
Abbreviation for “Grand Old Party,” it started as a nickname for the Republican Party in the late 1800s
I knew the term, but not the origins, so thanks for giving me an excuse to look it up
Nowadays, though, it’s come to stand for Guardians of Pedophiles.
I think it’s comes down to the fact that there are far fewer wealthy Dems than Republicans. The Dem “base” doesn’t have any power or influence outside of our voices, which is to say, none.
thats because they are both GOP parties, one is just gop lite, the gop lite is designed to stop the GOP from getting to far, they have no interest in progress. thats why they dont repeal gop policies in the next presidencies for the most part. the “DEMS” are designed to stop any actual party thats left than center right from appearing, and the gop does what it always does, and often are sometimes kept in check by gop lite party. its just pratically RUSSIA-LITE. putin has control, but he allows a “faux captured opposition” now and then with no real power.
putin has control
Only over Trump. The people who write the laws have control. They are the ones who fund elections.
You know nothing about what Russia is like, and it seems you also have no idea how US works.
Russia is basically a slightly less shitty US. Same brand of reactionary pseudo-christian dictatorship of capital, with hints of fascism. Except Russia still has free healthcare and good public transit, inherited from the soviet times. And since russian oligarchs have less cash than american oligarchs, Russia has done significantly less damage with its imperialist wars so far.
Do you think we should solve the problem by voting for the dems and making them do their jobs anyway, by primarying them with socialists like Zohran, by voting for third party candidates like Jill and Andy, or by abstaining?
All four options come with building a socialist revolutionary army and practicing mutual aid, obviously.
If you are not organized, your only options are voting for the most progressive of the top two candidates in elections/primaries, or apathy. (voting third party is apathy)
Join your local DSA chapter and help them make more Zohrans.
yeah well at least everyone agrees the GOP base is scary, so that’s something I guess lol. There is still a cinder of objective reality we can all gather around, which is that the hardest right people in a country with 500 million guns are --shockingly-- a scary as fuck bunch.
I’m not scared of them because they have guns. I’m scared of them for the same reason I’m scared of a toddler with a grenade. They will blow up society because they thought it would make a cool splash in the pond.
They don’t respect the people that keep voting for them, they know you think you have no other option and are exploiting it over and over. Whats the definition of insanity?
A lot of leftists don’t vote. The party doesn’t try to get the votes because historically the turn out is super low for leftists.
I’d say leftist turnout perfectly matches leftist representation on the ballot.
Then how do you explain 2016 and 2020 when barely anyone voted for Bernie? He was on the ballot. Primaries typically have 5-10% turn out.
Did anyone vote for anyone else? my understanding is american primaries (and everything except the presidential election) are more or less ignored.
Which is the problem. All people, including leftist, bitch and moan about everything in politics and then most collectively decide not to vote.
The turnout is low for any group that is dismissed by the parties. Why would you vote for people who ignore you?
Give them a reason, they’ll vote.
also because the OLD guard DNC doesnt market them in anyway, the gop got it down to a tee on some gen z, PROPAGANDA through social media, which is the best way to reach the younger generation. the dnc just doesnt do that, they stick to cable/national television where everything is curated.
not to mention there isnt much of a leftist/democratic network as well. CNN AND pbs got astroturfed then taken over.
The Conservative Propaganda Machine is a real thing, conceived and constructed by Dick Cheney and Roger Ailes following the Watergate scandal, which they blamed on the “liberal” media for reporting their CRIMES. It has evolved over the years, and become an astonishingly effective tool.
While they were doing that, the Dems were doing absolutely nothing to counter or match it, and here we are.
Not voting for the dems lead to our current situation. Masked federal agents grabbing people off the streets, the longest shutdown in US history, the dismantling of federal agencies, and the list continues.
Things would have been far from good, but sometimes people need to recognize that you gotta vote for self preservation. It shouldn’t be that way but here we are.
Avoiding the formation of a fascist state seems like a good reason to vote to me
I agree with you, but I get why ignored, criticized, and betrayed groups wouldn’t see any reason to vote for either party. The chaos that we’ve been seeing over the last few years? Some people have been feeling that for decades. They gave up on America long ago, for good reason. They think they’ll be better off if both parties destroy each other, and we have a fresh start.
I can appreciate their position, even if I don’t agree with it.
