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- socialism@beehaw.org
Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.
The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.
The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.
“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”
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International law: Conducting and Support of Genocide is Illegal.
U.S./Germany law: Protesting Genocide is Illegal.
The challenge lies in the fact that criticism of Israel is often intertwined with accusations of anti-Semitism. Germany finds itself in a delicate position: on one hand, it has pledged unwavering support to the state of Israel; on the other hand, it must uphold the right to dissent and allow protests against Israeli policies.
It’s not delicate at all.
If you don’t stick to your values when they’re being tested, they’re not values: they’re hobbies.
—Jon Stewart
I don’t understand how the quote applies to the situation described. Germany has a deep responsibility to support Israel because of its history with the Holocaust. However, it also believes in free speech and the right to protest. The challenge is balancing these two—supporting Israel while allowing criticism of its policies without crossing into anti-Semitism.
No, Germany feels a responsibility to help Jews as reparations for the holocaust. Not a blank check to the rightwing Israeli government or giving them a pass when they violate international law. And certainly not violating Germany’s free speech laws by arresting nonviolent protestors condemning a foreign government for their war crimes. There’s no challenge here unless you think every protestor is an anti-Semite.
Here’s the thing: in your view of the world, everything appears simple—everything is either black or white. Protesters are good; cops are bad. Palestine is good; Jews are bad. In reality, the world is far more nuanced.
Choosing between an incredibly bad lie to commit genocide and not committing genocide must be a hard choice for Germany, knowing their history and regret for their previous genocide
No wait, Germany is supporting genocide again.
“Germany has pledged unwavering support to a genocidal colonial apartheid” really is not the own Germans think it is.
The world is far too nuanced to be categorized as merely good or evil, as you suggest. Following the atrocities of the Holocaust during World War II, Germany has assumed a profound moral and political obligation to safeguard and support the state of Israel, a commitment that remains a cornerstone of its foreign policy.
Yes, Germany has expressed strong support for Israel during the ongoing conflict, primarily through diplomatic efforts and humanitarian aid to Gaza.
Nuance for genocide what is next nuance for Adolf Hitler? “Well he did kill all those Jews but you have to remember he was denied his art education!”
Here is a good rule to live by:
Genocide bad.
Nobody has ever suggested that genocide is a good thing; that is an argument you introduced yourself. Furthermore, you alleged that Germany supports genocide without elaborating on how this claim is substantiated.
No more replies from mr. Bothsidism what happened? I read your vomit and when shit gets serious you don’t reply anymore? We are all waiting your defence for a genocidal ethnostate. Please elaborate.
What is the point of an answer if no one is interested in engaging with it? The thread merely serves as an echo chamber for your opinion. Judging by the responses, meaningful discourse on the topic appears unwelcome.
If you search for it, its only reported by two outlets. There is not a single German newspaper reporting this, including left wing or Berlin regional ones. Searching for the names in the articles returns no results linked to Berlin or Free Palestine at all. The name of the public official also turns up nothing.
Could be misinformation.
At this point it’s equally likely that the mainstream media just don’t care because of their reason of state. Idk how their reporting is on other Palestine related content but in my country it’s mostly silence, I learn about what’s happening mostly from The Guardian and Al Jazeera because most media outlets simply don’t give a fuck about Palestinian life.
Yeah, no. There are many left wing German newspapers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXkS0ykfvvI
Absolutely not true. Listen to this interview if you wanna get an accurate picture (unfortunately in German but there should be AI generated subtitles). The situation is grim.
The reality is that the news are probably true, and it’s quite common that people will either gaslight or simply not give a fuck. Germany went absolutely fascist, it’s a terrible situation. Even “left-wing” newspapers like TAZ aren’t very left wing when it comes to Palestinians. Your typical liberal German academic will deny this but who’s even asking them anymore?
Dieses Video ist alles andere als ein akkurates Bild.
Says who?
Da muss man nur ein paar Minuten zuhören um zu merken, dass es eine reine Pro-Hamas Propagadasendung ist.
Yes everything is Hamas, obviously. What a load of BS. Give me one example of a “pro-Hamas” statement and in English please so that everyone can get an idea of your agenda. You Zionists are monsters, Zionism is irredeemable and history won’t fare well of people like you.
Fash support fash. Germany has been supporting genocide for a long time.
It’s really amazing how liberals will completely accept genocide up until the very second that it affects them.
Oh really? How? What genocide?
Uh… The one in Gaza?
It is heart breaking to see Germany begin to give in to fascism again. What happened to “never again!” ???
It was a lie.
And in a decade or so, before you know it, Deutschland will be invading Poland again.
My prediction, built on assuming we’re in the stupidest timeline, is that Germany will try to help the Palestinians…by carving a new homeland for them out of Poland.
looks like German libs are doing the Kamala speedrun.
it’s not a coincidence they went after trans immigrants first, they know it’s easy to use us as guinea pigs for setting legal precedent.
I’m pretty sure Kamala, being a private citizen and not the president, has nothing to do with the deportations taking place in America right now.
I’d check who the current president is and assign blame to him.sure, if you wanna do a dog-shit ahistorical analysis of what lead to this, you could place the blame entirely on Trump.
do you seriously expect us to ignore the direct parallel between the Democrats adopting fascist rhetoric and deportations and the social Democrats in Germany adopting AfD propaganda in their program?
you either didn’t pay attention when she threw us under the bus to win the fascist electorate or You actively cheered her on as she was doing it. same for her being a rabid Zionist.
Unfortunately in germany, france and uk, there’s a big chunk of people that participate in protests against israel and in the protests in favor of turning the country who took them into a caliphate. Anyway i don’t think this article is true since it’s not being reported anywhere.
It comes from a credible journalist who explicitly names the four victims and quotes their real, existing lawyer who has defended similar cases before.
This is the typical Zionist playbook of spreading lies until we moved on to the next topic, and by the time it turns out to be true everyone already forgot about the issue. Don’t forget that they just did a 20-fold increase to $150m for their Hasbara botfarm. It wouldn’t be surprising if they also showed up here already. Also lots of new accounts here spreading Zionist propaganda.
From the article:
Some, but not all, of the allegations would correspond to criminal charges in Germany; almost none of them have been brought before a criminal court.
They just need to take them to a criminal court and let the judge decide
Yeah, checks notes… Cooper Longbottom, Kasia Wlaszczyk, Shane O’Brien, and Roberta Murray are surely trying to turn Germany into a caliphate…
This is the related incident:
Slogans and the triangle of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas were sprayed on the facade of the historic building.
You make your judgement.
triangle of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas
Hamas triangle? Do you mean the red triangle on the Palestinian flag, the one that predates hamas by half a century?
What hamas slogans were painted? The picture only shows “free gaza”, “killers” and “complicity”, nothing supporting hamas, unless anything calling for the end of the genocide is supporting hamas.
The picture only shows
room temperature IQ. Blocked.
