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Immagine if Chrome wasn’t just a rinky dink Safari emulator!
Wow, can’t wait to not only have my data harvested by Apple but also Google!
FFS, stop cumming for Chrome and start using Firefox!
By the time the masses move it will be an enshittified fork of chrome.
Edge?
Opera?
Wasn’t Firefox starting to implement some bullshit too?
What do you believe Mozilla was implementing?
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It’s really not, Safari does a pretty good job keeping up with standards and whatnot.
In two years time Apple, and every other smartphone manufacturer on the EU market for that matter, will be forced to make the battery user replaceable and that one will most likely benefit everyone; unless Apple wants to release two versions of every iPhone to comply with EU regulations which they won’t.
Just like with USB-C, which the EU regulated and now the iPad and IPhone have.
no no no, that was just Apple being brave /s
IPhone 16, with 30% more courage
When they do come to it. I hope its the easily swappable like the ones in Nokia 3310. Otherwise its pointless imo.
AFAIK, the EU defines “user replaceable” as literally that; you open a hatch, pull the battery out and stick a new one in.
Unfortunately, they do not define it that way.
And there are exceptions based on capacity and how long you guarantee the battery capacity will be good for. IIRC, if it still has 70% capacity by 3 years time, it doesn’t have to be replaceable at all.
Can you really guarantee that? I mean, it’s pretty much dependent on individual usage.
Sure you can. Car manufacturers do it today.
You will have to define “3 years” as well. It can’t be a blanket 3 calendar year thing, it would have to be X number of cycles which the average user would realistically hit with 3 years of usage. Not someone glued to their phone playing games all day that need to charge three times a day.
Yup, probably one charge from 20% to 80% every day or something like that.
Sounds really good to me!
They’ll make the replacement so expensive nobody will do it. And then there will be a new rule mandating it needs to be a reasonable price. Apple will say it’s reasomable because it factors in environmental costs, and so the dance continues.
Pretty sure the draft allowed “common tools” or specialised tools if they came in box.
Everyone will benefit, but have to imagine relatively few will buy tools to actually take advantage of it.
Hopefully they keep selling a phone with no user replaceable battery. Id rather have the weather proofing than a battery i need to swap out one time after owning the phone for over 4 years.
Why only 4 years? The fairphone 5 is water resistant and has a replacable battery. The Samsung Galaxy S5 was fully waterproof and had a replacable battery.
None of those phones are IP68 rating
IP68 didn’t exist when the galaxy S5 came out. The fairphone has a replaceable screen and is made by a tiny company that doesn’t have the budget for full waterproof testing. Often phones will have waterproofing but will not spend the money for the expensive testing for certification, see: Pocophone, etc.
Well then I like my phones a little bit more expensive then since they’re certified. Gives me peace of mind.
I mean, it still ultimately means nothing if it’s not covered by warranty.
The Sony Xperia phones back in the day were literally advertised as being able to “live underwater”; was there any guarantee that it wouldn’t just die in a light shower? lol no
I like how you keep getting down voted even though you have made it clear that it’s your own personal choice/bias and acknowledge it’s not for everyone.
I agree both options would be good 👍
How many times has your phone needed the weather proofing in the last 4 years? Mine is 0, at least twice. On the flip side, I have needed a new battery 2 times.
Not a good argument. This is like saying why do we need airbags because I have never used it. We need to have both the features, with water proofing being more critical.
I’m all about replacable batteries but come on. Two times I was out and came back home soaking wet because of rain. Many more times I used my phone in the kitchen or bathroom while water was splashing with no stress, which I wasn’t brave enough to do with a non-resistant phones.
That being said, I’d rather carry an extra battery or two like I used to than carry a power bank.
The soaking rain thing has happened to me with a not particularly water resistant phone and it was fine. The water ratings are more intended for direct splashes and full immersion.
My opinion is that this is a comfort we can do without, especially given the ecology and consumer rights implications (not that a phone with a user replaceable battery is necessarily porous to water, plenty of phones meet both criteria)
Ive needed the IP68 rating a handful of times. I have needed a new battery zero times on my 4 year old phone. If I need the battery replaced, Ill just take it to apple and have them swap it out.
Its still at 70% usability, which still lasts me all day.
That’s the thing though, why is apple the only ones authorized to swap out your battery? That service isn’t free, and they’re massively overcharging you for it.
It’s also not impossible to build a phone that is water resistant and has a swappable battery, but that’s besides the point. Personally I’d rather have a swappable battery.
Maintenance is never free, so im okay with a service fee every four years rather than buy new phones every time they get wet. Im not saying my particular view is right for everyone, but its what I want. I get why people want replaceable batteries. No problem with it. I just would rather not have them. So if there is an option for both models, one with, and one without that feature, this is a win for everyone. If not, and only one or the other is implemented, then its going to suck for whoever is in the party that got left out.
Aren’t you being purposefully obtuse by refusing to consider the idea of a battery swappable phone that is IP68 certified? Its almost certainly going to happen with the line of phones in Europe that will have swappable batteries and it’s not even that far into the future.
I think this post is about change moving forward, not making sure our past decisions were sound.
Im refusing to accept the idea because it doesn’t exist. Who manufactures one?
The two features are not mutually esclusive. I owned an S5 which was waterproof and had replaceable battery more than 10 years ago. It did not seems too hard to do
S5 was not IP68
I know. I was only pointing out that you can have a waterproof phone and a replaceable battery. Obviously you need to do better than the S5 but it is nothing impossible, even wanting to keep the audio jack and the USB ports.
I hope they figure it out. Sincerely.
The more they get regulated, the better their stuff becomes*. It’s wild that people are on the side of Apple for a lot of this stuff, most prominently probably with third party app stores supposedly “decreasing security”.
Sent from my MacBook :^)
* At least when it comes to consumer rights regulations. I’m still mad about China demanding they remove the option to accept AirDrop from everyone without a time limit on iPhones and Apple then implementing that restriction globally for whatever godforsaken reason.
Begging iPhone to play the catch up game and just have Android’s basic features lol
Except that many Android phones also don’t have replaceable batteries anymore.
Hope it doesnt lead to smaller batteries though. It feels like it could since they have to put the battery so it’s accessible.
But it’ll also allow you to just carry 2 batteries and swap if needed. Even if you don’t want to do that, when your battery ages enough that you can’t at all go through a typical day, you can easily change it out yourself to a fresh one to refresh your phone.
Unfortunately it won’t.
This legislation isn’t for batteries that replaceable. More like “can be swapped by a technician in 5 minutes” replaceable.
Additionally, if the manufacturer guarantees (IIRC) 70% capacity after 3 years, they don’t have to do anything at all.
To be honest I prefer to use a power bank, it’s more convenient than having to swap batteries (i used to do that too) as you don’t have to power down the device. And one power bank can power many different devices, so i don’t have to buy a new one when i Change phones, and can use the same power bank to charge my earbuds, kindle, smartphone, and a variety of other devices, or lend it to someone.
Having said that, i did have my Nexus 6P battery degrade and had to be RMAd, lucky for me it was within warranty. Battery is the fastest failing component so being replaceable will go a long way in prolonging devices lifetime, but doesn’t have to be user-replaceable.
Currently batteries are replaceable, but due to their design it’s unlikely to be worth the expense. Forcing them to make it user replaceable ensures it’s easy to do, and cheap - so even if you don’t want to do it as a recharge mechanism, it is still to your advantage to have it so when your battery does inevitably deteriorate you can swap it out at your convenience.
Oh, here he is. I was worried for a second we’ve lost him.
Never lose cum.
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What the hell? There are literally full OS alternatives for Android phones. The comment is light on specifics and none of it rings true afaik
I switched from android to Iphone and there is nothing I miss, I certainly don’t miss how shit the the usb in-ears were on android, all of them haf issues
I feel so lucky to have never bought into the apple mobile ecosystem every time I have to test any of my web apps on iOS safari. What a shit browser (which you have no choice but to use).
Not to mention having to own several special lightning shit cables to support my test devices. 🤮 They only switched to usb-c because the EU forced them. That detail alone is enough to know what a shit line of products they are cultivating.
But yeah takes me about one second to miss my android device
I have switched straight to iphone 15, so USB C cable, not that I use it, airpods are lightning, not that I use it, since I am charging both wirelessly.
The website I work on, works for fine for me, so not sure what your issues are.
Wireless charging: because it’s always reliable, convenient, and available.
Do you support any older iOS versions? Anything that uses video, PWA or features added to other browsers >2 years ago? If yes to any of those questions, I have to think you don’t actually support/test in iOS safari. Which btw often works differently between iphone and ipad. And their simulator support only goes back a couple of versions, despite the fact that Safari does not auto-upgrade and is tied to major os releases. So if you have users with older devices, you cannot ever take for granted that your app/website will work fine for them without testing on either a simulator (excludes OS versions over like ~2 years old), or maintaining and testing on a physical library of devices with older versions that you make sure you always refuse updates on.
It’s abysmal to support safari ios unless you don’t care about lower income/education users who have 5 year old devices.
Safari and videos are a nightmare to work with, there’s always something that doesn’t work right, when Chrome and Firefox work fine.
Are you me? I feel like I never speak to anyone who knows that pain like I know it.
You are right, I don’t, because they don’t need PWA to use the website, and there is no video content, life is good, and those who can’t use it are dropped, we are not going to sacrifice developer capacity to support a very minority of users.
That’s the apple user credo. “If I can’t do it, it’s really better anyhow because I didn’t need to”.
A decent web browser isn’t deeply tied to the operating system version and isn’t 5 years behind on some features while pigheadedly refusing to ever implement others. A decent web browser doesn’t force you to use it. You choose it among other options and seek it out. A decent electronics company doesn’t force you to buy proprietary cables just to charge their devices.
Congratulations though, your website users are all wealthy westerners.
They are the farthest thing from it, lmao, you dont even know how wrong you are, but I see you stí´ possess the teenage angst of ios v android wars
If you import iphone from EU does it have these features or is it determined by the region you are using the phone from?
