Alt text: an image of a poster with the text "Did you see: - A tent in the Wood? - Someone shoplifting? - A person sleeping in their car? No! You fucking didn’t! People are struggling, don’t make it worse
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Shoplifting food? Yea probably struggling, I’m not saying shit.
Shoplifting PS5 games? Yeaaaaa you’re probably just an asshole.
Stealing ps5 games to be sold and buy food? Maximum ethicality.
Remember, if a video game studio closes, no one would feel their presence missing. If food companies start closing? We’d literally starve!
Pretty sure the people employed by the video game studio would notice.
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There’s 120 million people on steam at max, 40 million PS5 sold, 140 million Switches sold. Most of these overlap. I don’t know why the West thinks gamers are some kind of majority.
There are more people at risk of starvation than gamers on any platform and we don’t hear their cries.
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Eye for an eye right
I have never once met a shoplifter who was struggling or actually needed what they stole, ever. Most shoplifters I’ve met were kids from well-off families who felt entitled to anything they could get their hands on.
I literally used to steal to eat because I was that fucking poor.
There, now you have.
He hasn’t met you.
I am the richest man on the planet. You haven’t met the richest man on the planet.
Anyone can claim anything on the internet, it would take the most gullible of people to believe everything they read. It’s weird that you expect him to be gullible.
There’s a 1 in 7 billion chance that you’re the richest mans on the internet.
25% of Americans will experience food insecurity this year.
I don’t trust you because I don’t trust you’re 1 in 7 billion, I trust them because I trust that if they’re not within the like 1/2 who have experienced food insecurity at some point in their lives, another lurker or two might be
If that was true we wouldn’t see an increase in shoplifting when poverty rises
Because correlation always equals causation.
Also depends on where and what. Kids I grew up around stole random crap from Forever 21 for fun. Grew up, met people who stole to fuel a drug addiction, like at big box stores with a bit more relaxed security. Then there’s commenters here who sound like they just take things they need.
It really depends, but the one that sticks out to me is the kid who stole Pokemon cards from a place my wife retailed. That kid was just a straight entitled POS psychopath. Really, really takes all kinds.
The only people I know who shoplift are on welfare and surviving on about $500 per month for everything minus rent. So. Anecdotal evidence remains the weakest evidence.
And we all know what you see is everything that happens. Anecdotes are the best evidence
I feel like that says more about your social circle than about shoplifters, who are a pretty diverse group of people with really varying motivations for their actions.
Most shoplifters I’ve met were kids […] who felt entitled to anything they could get their hands on.
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1 and 3 are fine but dude. Shoplifting is bad, mkay?
Shopliftung from ol’grannies corner shop: bad, she would probably give it to you for free if you asked.
Shoplifting from Walmart: go for it
I wanted to say:
“Shoplifting essentials from Walmart*”
But on the second thought I condone any stealing from company that dodges taxes.
Fuck them, go for and get back what’s yours.
I bet the judge would love that argument.
Yeah he won’t. He’s there to uphold the law and whatever rich lobbying has written in it. Punishing someone lightly for that is the sensible part. Multitude of ways in which companies siphon out money from work of the people is not.
So saying that to judge during one’s process would mean blatant disrespect to the law and result in going straight to jail.
That being said until now we weren’t speaking about law though, but ethicality/public sentiment.
Just in case I would like to remind the reader that law doesn’t define ethics. The fact that putting Jews into concentration camps was once legal on Germany doesn’t make it OK at the time. Neither the fact that harboring them was illegal didn’t make it unethical to do so.
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No its good and in this community we actually celebrate it.
So you made a shoplifting support community on this instance, which is run by one volunteer and is still working to establish itself, and you decided to start encouraging and celebrating illegal activity here. What a beneficial user. I’m sure the SLRPNK community appreciates your efforts a lot.
You could ask the folks of slrpnk.net in !meta@slrpnk.net how they see this.
Considering this instance also hosts a community about anarchism ( !anarchism@slrpnk.net) or dumpster diving ( !dumpsterdiving@slrpnk.net) I feel like they probably dont mind having some posts about illegal activities like shoplifting or theft from the workplace.
Now hold the fuck up. As a proud ex dumpster diver, there’s a significant moral distinction between taking things people own and taking things people don’t. When somebody throws something in the trash, they’re giving up ownership of it. They’re saying they don’t want it anymore. It either goes to trash or it goes to someone who can make use of it.
And that can be illegal depending on local law, sure. But comparing dumpster diving to shoplifting is inaccurate and unfair.
And for that matter, anarchism is not illegal. And the implication that all anarchists steal, vandalize, and break the law, is nothing but propaganda.
And having written all this, I definitely think this sub should stay up, because solarpunk is anti-capitalist and radicals have long considered shoplifting an act of protest against capitalism - see “Steal This Book” for details on that. I just don’t think your comparison to those specific other subs is a very good one.
Hey I feel like you interpreted things into my comment I did not intend. Maybe thats due to my wording, so sorry about that.
To me it seems like you are arguing against things I did not say and if you had given me the chance to explain why I choose those to communities, we probably would have had an easier time understanding each other because I agree with the general spirit of your comment.
Also I hope you have the chance to get back to rescuing food and other stuff! (if thats something you diesire to do)
Hi, no, thank you for responding and I apologize that I misunderstood and maybe came off too aggressive. It’s the internet, I don’t really expect people to respond to my comments, so my comments are mostly in the moment reactions rather than attempts to start a dialogue with the person I’m responding to. I suspect that’s a bad Reddit habit to unlearn :)
Thank you and I wish you and this sub all the best!
Of course they won’t address it. It’s a growing instance and they will not do controversial removals unless absolutely necessary, because that could damage that growth.
That being said, those other things you mentioned aren’t illegal in most places, so I don’t understand the comparison.
It’s a growing instance and they will not do controversial removals unless absolutely necessary, because that could damage that growth.
I feel like growth as a motivation is really not something that fits the solarpunk mindset / idea and I believe the folks here, especially the admin and the mods, have enough integrity to stay true to their values.
If you are interested in the legality of dumster diving, this part of the wikipedia article on dumpster diving focuses on that. In most places where dumpster diving is legal, the trespassing committed to actually get to the dumpsters is not legal.
It is still not directly illegal and there are plenty of public dumpsters in most places. Discussion and encouragement of it is not very likely to get anyone under risk.
I would not like to drag this discussion for hours on end, however. What I was trying to say is, your community and efforts are being tolerated and hosted here, and so perhaps you could consider respecting that by revising your rules, to at least not directly admit to encouraging and “celebrating” an illegal activity. Save them from the future work. There’s a line everybody tends to follow on these things online, and if the admin supports or tolerates you, perhaps you should have their back as well.
Of course they won’t address it. It’s a growing instance and they will not do controversial removals unless absolutely necessary, because that could damage that growth.
That is not exactly what I said in the DM ;) I do not plan to grow this instance beyond say 1k MAU or so and will rather close registrations completely.
I am slightly wary of this community, as it has the potential for a lot of unnecessary drama (as seen in similar communities on other websites), but only discussing shoplifting is IANAL not illegal and I personally find shoplifting not morally objectionable if done by poor people trying to somehow make ends meet (and the target is a large corporation or so).
But I think it might make sense to clarify the community rules of /c/shoplifting a bit to make it more clear what type of contributions are actually preferred.
I am slightly wary of this community, as it has the potential for a lot of unnecessary drama (as seen in similar communities on other websites),
tbh that’s something I am unsure on how to approach. I would this to be a community where folks can celebrate shoplifting (as I stated in another comment) and at the same time I don’t want to cause you and other server admins and other communities on this instance trouble with that. If you or others have any suggestions regarding this I would love to hear them. (Also in private messages if that’s preferred.) At some point I will also try to make a post in !meta@slrpnk.net about this
“celebrate” seems an odd word in this context, but I do think our society needs to “normalize” that people need their basic needs covered one way or the other. If we as a society fail to provide the weakest with what is needed (despite surplus being available), we can’t really complain about them trying to take it themselves. And this shouldn’t be seen as charity, but rather as a human right.
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If you have no morals, sure. I am sure Harvey Weinstein thought sexual harassment is awesome.
btw this was done by an artist named TheREALFlyDog who is currently fundraising for their medical needs. check out their linktree
Maybe he should follow his advice and shoplift some medical treatment.
I would if I could too
Humans have a right to affordable medical care
Yeah no. Not going to encourage or enable a society of looters. If we are looking for justice let’s start eating the super rich.
Let’s see you eat the rich first, then you can feel free to rat on the poor.
Retailers would be a good start then…
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As long as it’s from extremely wealthy companies that engage in wage theft and union busting cough cough WALMART cough, and not from small local places that would let you pay them a week later if they knew you.
