Lemmy.world Hexbear Statement - Lemmy.World
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Update: The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard. ————- Original post: Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770 [https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770]. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules. Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here [https://lemmy.world/legal]. The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below: - “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.” - “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.” - “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.” The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology. In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected. Here are some examples: >“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.” >“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.” - https://lemmy.world/comment/121850 [https://lemmy.world/comment/121850] - https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168] - https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084] - https://lemmy.world/comment/171595 [https://lemmy.world/comment/171595] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500] Overall community comments: - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828] To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made. - https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656 [https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529] Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected. We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2508036

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2508035

Hexbear thread

Why is it wrong to be critical of western propaganda?

https://lemmy.world/comment/1962328

okay this is freaking wild:

We need a sub dedicated to bot building, trolling and brigading effectively. Screw morals, or decency. They’re tools that maintain the status quo.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1959011

I definitely appreciate the hesitation in defederation, but I’m in favor of defeding with both hexbear and lemmygrad.

I’ve seen more than enough “Stalin did nothing wrong posts” to know that discussions are pointless and would lead me only to frustration and a desire to drink.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958306

Freedom of speech does not constitute an obligation to listen.

Good for you!

Exactly. Freedom of speech != Freedom from social consequences :soyreddit:

Well, in a truly “free” society, yes freedom of speech would constitute freedom from “social consequences.” However, the United States, and in fact, no Earth government, is a truly free society. There are rules and laws that exist, thus restricting freedoms. However, specifically regarding freedom of speech as it is mentioned in US law, it specifically is a protection for citizens from retaliation by the US government, and does not cover interactions between citizens.

So I wouldn’t say “freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom from social consequences,” but rather “freedom of speech does not include a requirement that others listen.” There are laws with regards to how other citizens can respond, including laws against assault and libel and such. But there is no law that says anyone must to listen to what you have to say simply because you have the freedom to say it. Thats quite a preposterous idea.

At least in the US, each citizen has the right to say what they choose within the constraints established by law, and to choose who they will listen to. [-43]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958407

As an instance owner myself some of this is concerning. I understand why lemmy.world would want to defederate from them. I won’t defederate on my instance at this point, but if personal attacks start to happen or rules get broken, then it will be considered.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958492

I don’t agree with their sh*t and whatnot, but this move seems to me like “We will defederate you because your political beliefs are not the same as ours.” What a shame, Lemmyworld admins.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958923

https://lemmy.world/post/2475933

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
    11·
    1 year ago

    I’ve been surprisingly insulated from it for a while. I first came across a hexbear thread on [All] maybe a couple days ago.

    On their own threads, Hexbear users half appear to just enjoy spreading anti-Western, pro-Xi and pro-Putin views, another half like to laugh at the people they consider “libs”. A third half just seem interested in inciting chaos.

    So long as they keep their Lemmy rule-breaking silliness to their own instance communities like CTH, I’m fine with it. It makes me chuckle. If they start pouring out and posting communism-flavoured wojaks outside of an appropriate context on Lemmy’s threadiverse, we don’t need them here.

    There are some communities on there that are more toned down and friendly. Idk if CTH is always like it is or if they are on overdrive because of the “excitement” of joining Lemmy.